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    Okay so I've just got done with a marathon search about musclebuilding, as I have hit a platuea lately and needed to shock me some muscle fibers. So I pretended to forget everything I know about muscles, techniques, and supplements. I thought I'd share a few items here because it so curious how muscle building and P.E can follow the same paths. In fact p.e. for me is a natural extention of weight lifting. So bear with me I think a mini book is coming on.

    Anyway I started looking into supplements that could supercharge my workouts, but then I realized that the world of supplementaion is vague and ambiguous at best, so I started with basics of how muscles accomplish movement, swell and grow, and I realized I was overlooking a huge limiting factor of muscle growth....the fascia (hitting a little close to P.E. home...huh?). Any how every muscle group has a tight girdle that surounds it and gives it integrity, in other words it holds each particular bundle of fibers together, other wise your bicep "heads" would be laying laxidaisically all over the place like DD's roll around after 6 kids, yet the fascia is like implants which more or less hold the muscle group in place on their specific bone and joint delegation.

    So it has a purpose yet, this fascia is very subboorn and in my renewed opinion, is one of the largest limiting factors in muscle growth. The fascia is like a big girdle which constrains muscle growth. What led me to this renewed thinking was a very recent injury. I fractured my tibia back around Christmas, and the day it happened my calf became so swollen I had to go to the E.R. were they made incisions to allow drainage lest it cut off circulation. Any how what happened is that because of the injury blood entered my calf and streched the fascia to a painfully big state. Later the doc said that I may have a little different sized calf after all was said and done. Only now am I putting it all together, because it streched the fascia of my left calf muscle, my left calf is now LARGER than my right calf, and my right calf has always been bigger than my left!!!

    This is where muscle memory comes from, that at one point you grew your muscles and streched your fascia to point A, then through atrophy you lose X amount of muscle size, yet because you streched your fascia to point A in the past your muscle can get back to that size in a relatively small amount of time. I really believe fascia dementions limit muscle expansion...aka. muscle growth. Think about lifting weights; you lift and your muscle expands with blood, expands to a larger volume than is has at rest, so slowely this hyperexpansion stretches and shapes the fascia. And with steroids the effect is increased many fold. But the expansion of tissues with blood flow is key here. Ever heard that "without a pump you won't grow". I think it has real world validity, as far as size goes......bottom line; after all my reseaching, back to basics is good medicine...and after my recent real world example of fascial streching I am focused again on a titanic culprit of non-growth; muscle fascia.

    So basically lift heavy and hard to get that juggernaut pump, then when you muscles are hyperinflated with blood, you STRETCH...this compells the fascia to expand whether they want to or not. But your muscles have to me pumped when you strech or the fascia will not expand, which is why yoga followers can stretch yet are not big at all. Now if you can assist the pump in any way that's a bonus; creatine, N.O. etc. Now a few things are crutial in muscle repair and building just as they are in P.E.ing;

    Vitamin T.....Test. is king. And I come across a few things about test. I thought were interesting on boosting you natural T levels;
    -Zinc, zinc is a key componant in test production plus it acts to inhibit the conversion of test into estrogen...some tout it even converts estrogen back into test. Low zinc levels = low test.
    -lose weight, body fat stores estrogen and aromitase which is responsible for converting test into estrogen.
    -Lifting heavy weights, compound exercises, in the 6 rep range produces much more test than light circuit or cardio.
    -Get quality regular sleep
    -Take time to de-stress....stress kills test.
    -Healthy fats....monounsaturated and omega-3 in particular, seafood and nuts.
    -Vegitables, fruit and a good multi-vitamin
    -Alcohol reduces test levels, and grapefruit reduces zinc levels.
    -Keep testes cool, excessive heat can impair test production..sorry tighty-whiteys!
    -Drink lots of water!!
    -And my favorite!!! Get sexually stimulated as much as possible. Studies have confirmed that sexual excitation in males increased test. dramatically.
    In fact mere attaining a good erection increases blood test levels. A study by Ludwig Blotzmann Institute in Vienna show that 10 men shown 15 min of porn had test levels 100% higher post viewing. Now I know there is a lot of hoopla about porn here, but the central idea remains; becoming sexually aroused can spike test levels and if done throughout the day...well, maybe this is the reason so many younger guys can put on muscle so much easier....they are erect more throughout the day than a 60 year old male would be.

    Next on the list of ingredients for a good pump;
    Nitric Oxide. N.O. is a vaso dialator and allows for the increased shuttling of nutrients via the blood to muscles.
    -You can take all sorts of concoctions of l-arginine pre workout to increase N.O. levels before workouts....or try an orange.
    -Interestingly N.O. is a free radical gas produced by mammals. Free radical..meaning it is harmful in large amounts. But like everything else in the body too much is not good, oxygen causes oxidation, sugar is harmful yet need for energy...our bodies play such a tight rope act with so many substances.
    One thing that many people with E.D. assume is that they automatically have low test. But it may be an impeded N.O. level that is causing low erection quality.
    -After all this is was viagra is based upon increasing N.O. levels regardless of test levels.

    Also Creatine may help by filling muscles cells with water that which increases energy but also allows for a fuller pump...which I believe is creatines method for hypertrophy; fascial streching via enhanced pump. But I have come across many who claim creatine to be very hazardous for kidneys and liver...amny doctors on this bandwagon also....so take it for what it's worth.

    Now going back to these basics and away from the hyped slick advertising of the supplement industry, is good medicine for bodybuilding, and it strikes me as good medicine for life in general.
    -Excercise...hard and smart
    -Eat lots of quality foods and consume water
    -Qualitative sleep and relaxation
    -And above all sexual excitation...sex, sex, and lots more sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now I can help but be struck by the similarities of pump/stretching in muscle hypertrophy as well as P.E. hypertrophy;
    -in both, test and N.O. levels are paramount.
    -muscular fascia and ligs of the penis are both very tenascious and stubborn. Yet both are holding back prospective growth.
    -Jelquing is similar to flooding the muscle with blood, in that is forces an increased volume of blood into penile tissues as you move down the penis...thus forcing a stretch upon the effected tissues.
    -In fact I think these tight tissues and ligs of the penis are the number one obsticle to growth. They are strong and tight for a reason, yet people have shown that with the right stimulation they stretch like anything else.
    So this got me thinking on how one could hyperinflate the penis then stretch as you would in bodybuilding. Still working on that one.

    But I know as you become more advanced in P.E. there are excercises where you stretch while erect which would place increased stimulus upon the ligs and compell them to stretch, which I feel is the same principal as the muscle/fascia issue above. Very interesting how similar these two avenues of body shaping intersect.

    And it's great to see that sexual excitation spurs good health. I need to excite myself much more each day....for the sake of my test. and well being of course. The harder I am the better life is!

    However be careful...excess ejaculation depletes zinc which as mentioned above is crutial for male health. So screw the money shot go for the Dry or multiples. To much squirting and alcohol can turn you into a girly man by trumping test levels and raising estrogen levels.
    Just some food for thought I wanted to share for everybodies benefit!
    Do you expect me to talk?.... No Mr. Bond I expect you to die....Goldfinger

  • #2
    007 Thanks very much for taking the time to post this novel! I found this to be an extremely interesting read, and I actually plan to do some research on this topic now that you got me interested. I had never heard of muscle fascia and the idea that it can be stretched while pumped to promote growth. Really curious to find out more about this. Thanks!
    Starting Stats:
    March 2010- BPEL: 5.75" MSEG: 4.80"
    Current Stats:
    November 2010- BPEL: 6.62" MSEG: 4.875"

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    • #3
      Awesome info. I shall surely apply this to my workout regimen. 1 rep point.
      "I came, I saw, I conquered"- Julius Cesear

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      • #4
        Great information. This belongs in the article section, for sure. One thing, 007. You mention the importance of balance for many of the items you discuss. The one that bothers me some is stretching while totally erect. DLD of MOS swears by this, but I have always been reluctant to attempt this kind of exercise because it can lead to injury. Just something to keep in mind, especially for the beginners.

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        • #5
          Good threat for a healthy lifestyle. However, yall must realize that in muscle building there is a genetic limit. A point in which you cannot keep growing muscle anymore. It is just the way the body is designed, and is a complex mix of protein synthesis, recovery time and absorption of nutrients. A healthy lifestyle, supplementation and food, will take your testosterone production within normal healthy levels, but by no means will make a difference in muscle building. It is simply not enough to surpass the genetic limit.

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          • #6
            I would think from the bottom of the normal test range to the top of the normal range would make quite a difference to gains over time. Of course, nothing like the plethora of drugs many bodybuilders use.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jackxxx View Post
              Good threat for a healthy lifestyle. However, yall must realize that in muscle building there is a genetic limit. A point in which you cannot keep growing muscle anymore. It is just the way the body is designed, and is a complex mix of protein synthesis, recovery time and absorption of nutrients. A healthy lifestyle, supplementation and food, will take your testosterone production within normal healthy levels, but by no means will make a difference in muscle building. It is simply not enough to surpass the genetic limit.
              I agree with you. I know people smaller than me who can trump my bench press by 50 pounds. It's difficult to know what that limit is.I'm still gaining size slowly but surely. Unfortunately I have no body builders in my family to compare myself with.
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              • #8
                Remember with muscles that size does not always correlate with strength!
                The world's still a toy if you just stay a boy!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CUSP82 View Post
                  Remember with muscles that size does not always correlate with strength!
                  So true. I do novice bodybuilding (have a show coming up) and people always ask how much weight im lifting (thinking I do hundreds of lbs!!), then they see me using like girl weights ha ha and are totally confused. You want big muscles, increase the muscle belly size, how do you that? VOLUME TRAINING!!!! High rep, lower weight! Who gives a shit about being strong, were not in high school anymore! I mean, unless your a competing powerlifter.
                  I'm a lean mean PE'ing machine!

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                  • #10
                    When we (my training bro and I) hit our first big plateaus on bench press, I remember we broached it and kept moving onward by using heavy negative presses. Your partner lifts the weight for you, and you control it, and lower it as best you can, then repeat. We'd do it in the bench press frame, as you could set up the safety bars so the bar couldn't crush you if it fell. So heavy assisted negatives.

                    Also, long before I'd even heard of PE even in rumour, my mate and I were big fans of deep, almost painful stretches between sets, the idea being to stretch the fascia, allowing greater growth. Something must've been working for we grew huge shoulders and chests following that routine.

                    Though I don't even push big weights anymore, I'm a big fan of full ROM, strict form, and pump, the weight is something I almost don't pay attention to, as long as it is adequate

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