Honest Questions about being uncircumsized

[LoveWarrior Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close LoveWarrior]

The first thing I'd like to say is that my comments and questions here are not meant to offend anyone. Since watching a documentary on TV about foreskin restoration, I truly have some honest questions, but want to preface my questions with my own experience.

Next, let me say that I am a male who has had sex with hundreds of men. Therefore, I have had the opportunity to engage with hundreds of penises ... many uncircumsized ... but, of course, the vast majority being circumsized. So, call me a slut if you want, but I feel that I have a pretty good idea of the advantages and disadvantages of having sex with both types.

The vast majority of men that I have encountered with uncircumsized penises have exhibited a stench from their penis that is repulsive. I can usually smell it as soon as they remove their underwear. Many times, I have gently encouraged these men to come to the shower with me in an effort to begin our play by washing each other. There, what I have noticed is that they do not want the end of their penis washed because it is too sensitive, no matter how gentle I attempt to wash it. So, that tells me that they are not washing their own penis either. Even the men who are ultra squeeky clean exhibit a slight stench when I get my nose close to their uncircumsized penis. I guess I can't blame them ... after all, how would they know, it's not like they have their nose in their crotches all day ... and, even if they did, it is well known that our noses gets used to our own smell.

When engaging in sex with men that have uncirumsized penises, I have found that most do not enjoy receiving oral, even if the head of the penis is not fully exposed during oral. I have a friend with an uncircumsized penis and he told me flat out that getting oral is too sensitive for him, no matter how it is done, and he just doesn't like it. In addition, these men always seem to be on edge, concerned that the activity that they are engaged in will become too sensitive for them. Therefore, they do not seem to be able to let themselves go and get lost in the erotic connection. So, what is the advantage of having an uncircumsized penis?

Now, I will say, unequivocally, that receiving anal sex with an uncirumsized penis is much more enjoyable than from a circumsized penis. That said, because of my concern that uncircumsized men are not clean, I have not allowed much of that in my experiences. I have never had an STD and would rather keep it that way (well, I guess that is not totally true as I had a case of crabs back in college that was given to me by a girl).

So, tell me, what is the advantage of having an uncircumsized penis? I just do not get it .. but I would love to know if I am missing something. I am circumsized and have never regretted being circumsized for even a moment. Being uncircumsized just seems like a lot to deal with. Am I missing something? If so, please let me know.

Inquisitive In Austin, TX ....

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Well, that post is obviously spam. I hope the moderators kick that one to the curb.

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[aidan784 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close aidan784]

I'm quite passionate about such things so I don't mean any offence in what I say Oh and I'm uncut for the record.

You seem to have a good idea about context ie. Recognising that because you're in America MOST have been circumcised. Now combine that with you saying that MOST have been smelly...

It comes down to lack of education. Because rather than teaching about how to clean it properly, they just cut that bit of your dick off.

The increased likeliness of std's etc is bullshit by all accounts, it's hype by circ happy (greedy) doctors.

I can't speak for the cases of over sensitivity you mention. But seeing as you've posted this in the FR forum, I assume you know most men do this to gain back sensitivity stolen from them.

Although, all I can really add is adequate lube is a must for the glans.

It goes without saying that well by quite a few accounts (yours included) sex feels better for both people, as well it's the way we're meant to be and completely natural. It's there for a reason.
I've seen several circ'ed guys agree they'd rather have had their appendixes removed at birth as opposed to this perfectly fine part of their penis!

Oh, and two (three maybe) of our restoring mods are also Texans not related lol, but yeah...

[LoveWarrior Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close LoveWarrior]

Thanks, aidan784, for your response.

I agree with you about education. It sure would be nice if the United States was not so fricked up when it came to sexuality. Republicans need to get a life.

That said, I am not sure if I agree with you about your comment about uncirc'ed penises not being of additional STD risk. There are a number of studies on the subject, most agreeing that there is an increased risk. The one that seems most credible to me is one done by a team of epidemiologists. Specifically: Fergusson DM et al. 2006. Circumcision Status and Risk of Sexually Transmitted Infection in Young Adult Males: An Analysis of a Longitudinal Birth Cohort. Pediatrics. In it, they say that the "estimates of the population-attributable risk suggested that universal neonatal circumcision would have reduced rates of sexually transmitted infection in this
cohort [uncircumsized men] by 48.2%." ... and, they concluded, "These findings suggest that uncircumcised males are at greater risk of acquiring sexually transmitted infection than circumcised males. Male circumcision may reduce the risk of sexually transmitted infection acquisition and transmission by up to one half, suggesting substantial benefits accruing from routine." I would be happy to provide a URL link to the study in question, but not sure if URL links are allowed in this forum.

For this particular subject, I guess I am just going to use logic. And, that is that if a man is educated on how to clean his uncirc'ed penis, and subsequently is diligent in a daily routine of cleanliness, then I would guess that he would not be at increased risk. But, that said, I am a realist. And, my experience leads me to believe that the vast majority of uncirc'ed men do not fit that category, therefore, are at increased risk to themselves and others.

But, I suspect we'd just argue that point back and forth and that is not why I am here.

Shifting gears, I am not sure that sensitivity issues are solely the reason of circumcision. Indeed, studies have shown that men who frequently masturbate, whether circu'ed or not, need additional stimulation to reach orgasm ... especially men who masturbate to porn. Educators suspect that the reason for this is because ones hand can creates more restrictive pressure than a vagina and/or an anus. As well, porn creates a visual stimulant of something new, creating a level of excitement. Take those factors away, and the man is left with attempting to reproduce his repetitive masturbation experience when having sex with his partner.

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[aidan784 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close aidan784]

It's a study I haven't seen, url's are fine. I suppose as an uncut guy I've seen several ones from doctors on the other side of the field, so I suppose there'll be little agreement there.

Again, you have to recognise the cultural context of your experience. I'm in the UK so obviously cleanliness in that respect is stressed in sex ed etc as well as by parents... BUT just to give a little tidbit, my dad is circumcised, and never taught me about keeping it clean himself. Now I'm not saying that's definitely because he's circumcised, but imagine that being the case for some of the men you've come across?

Agreed, we're all aware of deathgrip syndrome and ED caused by porn addiction on this forum. But, it's a pretty common idea that circumcision was popularised in an attempt to stop young men playing with themselves by the church. As to the reliability of that, can't really be sure I don't think...

[Going411x7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Going411x7]

I think excessive masturbation resulted in my problem of not being able to come when I was ready with the Mrs. (I am circumcized). Peg, I believe, has discussed this, if I am not mistaken.

Your comment really struck home with me. I have been practicing p.e. for almost eight years now, and my foreskin is pretty much completely "restored." My cock is smelly as hell. This alienates the Mrs. She is a "clean freak" and she wants nothing to do with a "smelly cock"--like you with your male friends.

Thanks for reminding me how important personal hygiene is. Since I have been circumcized my whole life, it has never been a problem up until now.

Who knew, right? I have to share this information with one of your fellow Texans, Calixto, here at the Gym, who is in the process of foreskin restoration. He wants his foreskin back, methinks, smelly and all. I pray he is a "clean freak," for the sake of his girlfriends.

I do believe there is a virus that can lead to cervical cancer among women--enhanced/spread by uncut men. I would think anal sex would also be hazardous in this regard--ergo, the whole point in using a condom when practicing anal sex. I know that many Africans practice anal sex as a form of birth control--leading to the spread of the HIV virus.

The ancients MUST have had a reason for "cutting" their men, i.e. the Muslims and the Hebrews--just had to be. It couldn't have been purely religious to start with.

And I don't think the American women (and men), Puritans that they are, (Your point is well taken), instruct their cut or uncut sons on proper hygiene. I have taken over with my grandson--my daughter doesn't want to get into it, and my son-in-law is too busy--he's also a real Puritan in this regard.

I remind my grandson each time he urinates to wash his hands, not that his penis is necessarily dirty, but that our hands carry all the germs, and when he pees, it must remind him to wash his hands throughout the day.

Our urine, if there is no urinary tract infection, is totally free of nasty germs, I am told, contrary to our assholes.

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Your final comment may also explain why the Mrs, through gentle manipulation with her hands, has led me to multiple body orgasms. Man oh man, am I learning a lot at the 'ole gym today. Thanks, Love Warrior.

[danvers Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close danvers]

Thanks, aidan784, for your response.

I agree with you about education. It sure would be nice if the United States was not so fricked up when it came to sexuality. Republicans need to get a life.

I know you are new here. However, I don't think it is appropriate for you to take political shots at people. I know a lot of great Republican people and they have nothing to do with the "fricked up" sexuality of the united states.

If you want to take shots at people in a Penis Enlargement Forum, maybe you should take a hike. This is a support group, not a place to judge.

[LoveWarrior Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close LoveWarrior]

I respect your opinion, Aiden784. Also, did not realize that you are in the UK. That knowledge does put your comments into perspective. I'm glad to know that the UK is not as prudish about sexuality as the U.S.

So, I getting back to my original question ... I am still not sure what the advantages of being uncirc'ed actually is. Nor am I hearing a viable argument for uncirc'ed other than it should be a man's decision whether to be or not to be. To that, we certainly agree.

As far as opportunities to get laid as it relates to preference, it does not seem to be an advantage. The women I have encountered do not seem to care one way or the other. I have heard some say that they would rather have their partners be cut because they believe it is safer for them. Others have told be that they feel circ'ed penises more than uncirc'ed penises. I can also say without doubt that most gay men prefer their partners to be circ'ed. That said, certainly there are opposing opinions in both those groups, albeit a smaller percentage of the target demographic.

If it is a question of sensitivity, that gets a bit more murky given the various layers that feed into that issue. We briefly discussed porn and masturbation ... but, I also know from personal experience that being with different partners create various personal responses. I have two partners ... my primary partner is a male and my other partner is female.

One of my partners very much enjoys sexually engaging from a very dominant energy ... there is little eye contact, the movements are quick, and the energy is more about experiencing the gross (big energy) rather than the subtle. My body's response to that type of engagement is limited, albeit still enjoyable. Our engagements lasts for 15 to 20 minutes and I sometimes lose my erection.

My other partner, however, sexually engages from a point of heightened presence. There is an abundance of eye contact and engagements are more about experiencing the subtle energy instead of the gross. My body reacts in a very different way to this type of engagement. Our engagements lasts for hours ... and, my penis never loses it's erection ... and is incredibly sensitive.

Indeed, there are a number of various layers that feed into our body's sensitivity.

By the way, for what it is worth, the URL link to the study I referenced previously is:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...118/5/1971.pdf

Cheers,
B

[islander Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close islander]

Going411:
Have her use a non lubricated condom when giving you a Bj
You will enjoy it. She won't smell you and it's easy clean up.

Hpv is the name of the virus that is found in women with cervical cancer. About 90% of women will be exposed to hpv and never know it. Same with herpes. If when she gets sick and her immune system is compromised that is when the virus' can be triggered.
I'm sure the women with cervical cancer have a number of other virus' in common but all they know now is that 13 or 16 of the 100+ hpv strands known so far are present.

Men spread hpv to the female. Once a female is infected anyone else dunking gets it. So on and so on.
Now they see hpv in men with anal and penile cancer.

The vaccine is approved ( meaning covered by insurance) for hpv up to age 26 for females. However all women can and should get the shot. Just pay for it. Charge it. Whatever. It is supposed to be approved for men very soon if not already.

Edit: just a reminder you can use private message

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Danvers, I respect your opinion. However, it is quite well known that Republicans here in the United States flirt with the right winged religious zealots who have caused these issues. Of course, Republicans would never see it that way. They still advocate abstinence. I'm sorry that you feel that is an attack. I do not mean it to be. It's just ... fact.

Anyway, thanks for your invitation to take a hike. That is a normal response from Republicans who do not like what they hear.

I am here seeking support and answers. If you do not feel that you can provide viable answers, I respectfully invite you to continue to the next thread.

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Going411: Your welcome. But, I'm going to tell you a secret: Without fail, more than a big cock, women desire to be "fully encountered". Meaning, they desire to be fully met ... erotically, emotionally, and intellectually in bed. Lay by your wifes side ... eye gaze into her beautiful eyes, gently stroke her cheeks, and whisper your love notes to her. Deeply share an extended moment. Do not let your eyes part from hers. Seek nothing in return. Hold no attachment to outcome. Let the experience be what it is. Then, see what develops. I'll guarantee she will respond. And, ya know what, after a while of that, it's not about the dick anymore ... it's rather about the heart.

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lovewarrior, i dont know why but when i read your posts i imagine your voice as roger the alien from american dad

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1471988: LOL! How funny. And here I was hoping for Stewie from Family Guy!