Cannabis and growth

[Rellim Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Rellim]

I was just wondering if cannabis in any way would alter the results of PE exercises. I don't imagine it would stunt results altogether but as a beginner, I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to significantly decrease or altogether cease results of the exercises. After all, it does slightly raise oestrogen levels of the body, which may affect growth. The same question applies to tobacco. Any imput would be greatly appreciated.

[quik4life Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close quik4life]

PE is actually one of the reasons why I quit smoking weed and cigarettes. Back in 2005 when I started to seriously PE, I thought that since smoking is unhealthy for you and stunts one's growth, then it would do the same for my penis. So, when I started the Newbie Routine, I quit smoking in hopes of increasing my chances of getting gains.

Unfortunately, I didn't get any gains. But, that was just me. I turned out to be a hard gainer. Personally, I'm still glad that I quit, regardless of my penis not growing. I feel more energized, healthier and get sick less often.

Some members, however, argue that weed has allowed them to be more relaxed for when their perform certain PE exercises, like stretches and jelqs, and as a results, has given them gains. Personally, I think these members are just using their gains to justify them smoking weed. Other members who don't smoke weed but smoke cigarettes have also had some amazing gains.

You have to remember that only a healthy penis grows, an unhealthy one doesn't. Could the members who smoked weed or cigarettes got even more gains if they had not smoked to begin with? Who knows. All I know is that men PE for two reasons: 1) to get a healthier, harder penis and 2) to enlarge their penis. If you're body is in bad shape, then your penis most likely is as well. Have you ever seen a pornstar who wasn't physically fit? I haven't.

My advice is to lay off the weed and cigs, regardless of their affect on PE. After all, you can't smoke weed and jelq at the same time. Pick one and stick with it.

[seahorse Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close seahorse]

I don't smoke on a regular basis, but enjoy the occasional joint. However, I don't indulge before working out as I think it would create fasle feelings with what I'm doing; jelqing etc. But if I'm pumping it's ok; I have the gauge that keeps me sane. Also I'm more relaxed if I have a joint before selfsucking, though I selfsuck more times without. I don't think there's any harm with casual use of cannabis, tobacco though..... that's somthing else.

[Yeap Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Yeap]

how does tobacco affect PE? I dont smoke but ocassionally chew. what wil nicotine and caffeine do if anythhing to hinder growth gains?

[Iguana Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Iguana]

how does tobacco affect PE? I dont smoke but ocassionally chew. what wil nicotine and caffeine do if anythhing to hinder growth gains?

Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor (constricts blood vessels and blood flow) and being that blood flow is vital to good penile health and to gains it therefore could possibly be detrimental.

Caffeine is a vasodilator (opens up blood vessels) so you would think it would be advantageous. But strangely enough, several guys have reported caffeine to negatively affect their flaccid hang. No idea why. But they say it makes them shrink up. I think it may be due to getting their caffeine from coffee and soda and not drinking enough water. Either way, I try to limit my caffeine.

[remek Founder Find all posts View Profile Close remek]

Iguana: Isn't caffeine a vasoconstrictor as well?

[HealthNFitn3ss Member Find all posts View Profile Close HealthNFitn3ss]

I don't know about the caffeine thing. I don't intake anything with caffeine except for this one exercise drink about 4-5 times a week which is supposed to give you larger muscle pumps as well as add extra strength while training in the gym, and for me it does just that. That's why to me it wouldn't make sense if caffeine is a vasoconstrictor. If it is though, I guess the drink probably contains about as much caffeine as a cup of coffee so its about 4-5 cups of coffee a week. Would anyone care to guess if that's enough caffeine to effect PE if it were to constrict blood flow as much as nicotine for arguments sake?

[remek Founder Find all posts View Profile Close remek]

My guess is probably not. For the next survey, we'll definitely be asking about caffeine intake (along with other vasodilators and constrictors).

[Iguana Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Iguana]

Actually, caffeine has been shown to exhibit both vasoconstriction and vasodilation properties on different parts of the body. In regards to PE, it seems it acts as a vasodilator on smooth muscle. Hence one of the reasons caffeine is added to aspirin in several pain killers (i.e. Excedrin)


PHARMACOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF CAFFEINE
(at low to medium doses)

• increased alertness, increased wakefulness
• increase in faster, clearer thinking
• increased mood, sense of well being, sociability
• decreased fatigue
• decreased sleep, increased restlessness, sensitivity to stimuli
• increased skeletal muscle activity (increased shaking, tremors --- decreased fine motor control)
• increased respiratory drive & rate
• increased urine output (is a diuretic)
• increased HR, cardiac force, BP, dilation of coronary arteries (vs. cocaine)
• decreased smooth muscle activity (is a vasodilator in peripheral blood blood vessels, but a vasoconstrictor of CNS blood vessels; opens bronchi)

[remek Founder Find all posts View Profile Close remek]

Interesting find, Iguana.

decreased smooth muscle activity (is a vasodilator in peripheral blood blood vessels, but a vasoconstrictor of CNS blood vessels; opens bronchi)

So, according to this statement, caffiene vasoconstricts the SM?

It's for questions like these that I wished I asked about caffiene intake in the first PE survey.

[Iguana Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Iguana]

remek, I'm kind of confused myself. The way I understand it (I may be wrong) smooth muscle is classified as peripheral blood vessels, meaning it dilates. This would make sense. As I mentioned earlier, caffeine is found in many headache medicines. Constriction of blood vessels is a known cause of many common headache types. It would makes sense to get relief the vessels would need to be relaxed/dilated.

The other type mentioned is CNS (central nervous system) blood vessels. These appear to constrict. This would explain why caffeine makes some people nervous and hyper-active.

If this is the correct understanding, it could mean caffeine would play a positive role in PE. Either way, it deserves further investigation.

[remek Founder Find all posts View Profile Close remek]

The other type mentioned is CNS (central nervous system) blood vessels. These appear to constrict. This would explain why caffeine makes some people nervous and hyper-active.

If this is the correct understanding, it could mean caffeine would play a positive role in PE. Either way, it deserves further investigation.

Overly nervous and hyper-active PEers--it sounds like a bad combination to me.

Either way, we'll be doing another survey here sometime next year. My goal is next summer - maybe sooner. I'll definitely ask about caffeine this time around.

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

Some members, however, argue that weed has allowed them to be more relaxed for when their perform certain PE exercises, like stretches and jelqs, and as a results, has given them gains. Personally, I think these members are just using their gains to justify them smoking weed. Other members who don't smoke weed but smoke cigarettes have also had some amazing gains.

My advice is to lay off the weed and cigs, regardless of their affect on PE. After all, you can't smoke weed and jelq at the same time. Pick one and stick with it.

Alcohol is probably more of a problem than any of these substances.

I'm a cannabis consumer, but I rarely smoke it. I use a vaporizer, maybe a few times each month and in extremely small doses with extremely high quality strains. I get a little lift and then go about my personal business, almost always in the privacy of my own home.

I'm a runner and have never had any problems with my lungs due to my moderate cannabis use.

Most of the "science" on cannabis is hysterical junk science anyway. Anybody who sat down and smoked a whole joint of the quality bud I get would be catatonic. They'd deserve to have lung damage for wasting so much THC.

THC has been proven to relax muscles. I know from experience that stretching while high is a very pleasant experience and my leg muscles tend to release quite readily. I would tend to think of this as a supplemental practice rather than the norm.

The same probably applies to the smooth muscle of the penis, but who knows.

I doubt that people who are reporting positive experiences with PE while high are "justifying their weed use." There's a lot more wrong with alcohol use than there is with weed use. It's just fashionable to think of marijuana users as stereotyped drug addicts. But this is quite far from the truth. I won't personally touch alcohol ever. I hate the stuff and it shows in my health. I'm 40, but people look at me and think I'm 30.

Moderation is key in anything pleasurable.

[remek Founder Find all posts View Profile Close remek]

Moderation is key in anything pleasurable.

I think you hit the nail on the head in this statement. Reminds me of an article I read in Men's Health about a small town off the coast of Italy (can't recall the name). This town regularly has people live past their 100's - some in their 110s and beyond. I think the "town record" was 130 something. This was never "official," as he died sometime early last century.

Anyway, these people live by the motto "Everything is healthy in moderation, everything is unhealthy in excess." This is largely one of the things they accredit their longevity to.

I'm sure the same most things are healthy in moderation, including cannabis. Alcohol is good in moderation. In fact, they now say a glass or two of alcohol a day is healthy for you.

[bodistava Member Find all posts View Profile Close bodistava]

So I have changed a few things recently that might help clear some of this up. I'll start with smoking cigaretts, I obviously stopped them back in early November because any good PEr knows smoking is bad for the dick, and so far we are right. Smoking just plain sucks, and I hate it now, but I have noticed it's affects on my PEing and the PIs I have experienced since I have stopped. To make things interesting, Since the Start of the year I have also abstained from alcohol, red meat, pork, masturbation(for the most part) and caffine. I have also made some positive changes to my diet and exercise routine such as A lysine supplement a daily multi V and an overall better diet. For all these changes I have made I have yet to remove cannabis from my routine. I notice that wether I have done my routine or not within minutes of using cannabis my flacid hang is around 5 1/2 to 6 inches which is almost my EL. The girth is quite increased as well, almost to my EG. I tend to use it right before my routine because not only does it relax me it's also a vasodialator. I've found it easier to work with my penis when it(and I) is more relaxed. I'm not saying its just because of weed, I feel alot of my progress has come from the combination of life changes I have made, but cannabis might have played a part just as much as arginine does for others. There is no short cut in my opinion, no super supplement, and no ultimate device. It's entirely up to you to put in the time and have the disipline it takes to see results, and I feel that any results are worth while. Good luck to everyone, it's time to go to work.