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    I remember that docs and the like would not ( back in the day )inform people on basic genetics re blood type lest they find out their kids were not biologically their own. Do you think their ethics have improved?

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    It is not their job. They should be concerned about health only.
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    • #3
      I think it's a tricky situation when it comes to things like genetics/blood type and paternity, because the ethics of the situation go beyond the morality of wait a minute what do you mean this child isn't mine.
      Imagine you spend your whole life living in fear that you're going to end up having a disorder that your father has because it's often passed down through bloodlines. Maybe it's something serious enough that it would potentially shorten your lifespan, or cause you to change your diet or behaviours in an attempt to avoid the disorder or at least mitigate the effects of it. Then imagine discovering that you're not actually biologically related to your father, and you don't have an increased chance of having this disorder. How would you feel knowing that your choices and worries for the past 20+ years have been based on misinformation?

      By the same token imagine the opposite side of that equation - that you are actually at high risk for a disorder but you have no idea because you don't actually know what your paternity is. This is pretty standard for children that are adopted but if you think that you're in the clear because you know your father's medical history, and then that turns out not to be your father, suddenly you find yourself in the dark.

      Almost every time I've been to a doctor or specialist in the last 3 or so year's they've asked about any family history of cancer or diabetes. How can you accurately answer that if you don't know that your father isn't your biological father?

      It also affects things like blood and organ donation. Oh my brother needs a transfusion? Or a kidney? No problem there's a good potential I'm a match, we're brothers after all. Wait, what do you mean not at all compatible? Wouldn't you want to know that beforehand?

      To me the ethics of medical care go beyond whether or not someone has had an affair. The affair part is none of their concern, the medical and health consequences of having a patient who doesn't know their familial medical history is.

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      • #4
        That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought out response.

        If you go to the doctor to find out your blood type or DNA sequencing IDK why they wouldn't release that based on some worry of paternity. If its part of the testing I think they are ethically inclined to provide the info no matter the results as you are paying them for that service.

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        • #5
          Standards do change. An example- just a few decades ago, the idea of non-essential cosmetic surgeries where very much looked down upon by the medical community (at least here in the US) as a whole. Some even considered it a violation of the Hippocratic oath.

          It doesn't need to be explained that nowadays those standards have very much changed, and non-essential and even potentially harmful surgeries are now a huge business.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by CUSP82 View Post
            It is not their job. They should be concerned about health only.
            They actively refused to part with the info when directly asked face to face. Of course this is only a minor example of their thought process I could give others.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Qandisa View Post
              I think it's a tricky situation when it comes to things like genetics/blood type and paternity, because the ethics of the situation go beyond the morality of wait a minute what do you mean this child isn't mine.
              Imagine you spend your whole life living in fear that you're going to end up having a disorder that your father has because it's often passed down through bloodlines. Maybe it's something serious enough that it would potentially shorten your lifespan, or cause you to change your diet or behaviours in an attempt to avoid the disorder or at least mitigate the effects of it. Then imagine discovering that you're not actually biologically related to your father, and you don't have an increased chance of having this disorder. How would you feel knowing that your choices and worries for the past 20+ years have been based on misinformation?

              By the same token imagine the opposite side of that equation - that you are actually at high risk for a disorder but you have no idea because you don't actually know what your paternity is. This is pretty standard for children that are adopted but if you think that you're in the clear because you know your father's medical history, and then that turns out not to be your father, suddenly you find yourself in the dark.

              Almost every time I've been to a doctor or specialist in the last 3 or so year's they've asked about any family history of cancer or diabetes. How can you accurately answer that if you don't know that your father isn't your biological father?

              It also affects things like blood and organ donation. Oh my brother needs a transfusion? Or a kidney? No problem there's a good potential I'm a match, we're brothers after all. Wait, what do you mean not at all compatible? Wouldn't you want to know that beforehand?

              To me the ethics of medical care go beyond whether or not someone has had an affair. The affair part is none of their concern, the medical and health consequences of having a patient who doesn't know their familial medical history is.
              These days the info can be found with tests and of course these days a lot of info is on the net that wasn't easy available previous, Your points stand though in the past the docs were in effect standing in the way of this info .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gms585 View Post
                That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought out response.

                If you go to the doctor to find out your blood type or DNA sequencing IDK why they wouldn't release that based on some worry of paternity. If its part of the testing I think they are ethically inclined to provide the info no matter the results as you are paying them for that service.
                I was talking about the pas,t their behaviour on this matter has been overtaken by tek . However the question is has their basic ethical understanding improved?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Big Al View Post
                  Standards do change. An example- just a few decades ago, the idea of non-essential cosmetic surgeries where very much looked down upon by the medical community (at least here in the US) as a whole. Some even considered it a violation of the Hippocratic oath.

                  It doesn't need to be explained that nowadays those standards have very much changed, and non-essential and even potentially harmful surgeries are now a huge business.
                  Hmm is this a backwards ethical slide?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
                    Hmm is this a backwards ethical slide?
                    That's a perspective. There's also the relative freedom of individual doctors to choose those paths- where before it might have been considered immoral or even illegal.

                    There's also the option of people choosing for themselves to say that they don't "need" those types of procedures. After all, these doctors are doing this- whether they know better or not- because there's a demand for these surgeries.

                    The advancement of science behind cosmetic surgeries crosses over quite a bit with cutting edge techniques for repairing injuries and defects.

                    When you open a door to new methods, sometimes you get unexpected effects- and while there will be things done which can be considered "right" or "wrong", there is a level of freedom and open mindedness required which enables those advances

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                    • #11
                      It all depends on the Doctor. My approach in choosing a doctor is to question the doctor regarding his thoughts on matters that effect me. If I don't like his response, I move on to another doc.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by not2big View Post
                        It all depends on the Doctor. My approach in choosing a doctor is to question the doctor regarding his thoughts on matters that effect me. If I don't like his response, I move on to another doc.
                        Yes this is a common view in the modern day.

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                        • #13
                          Anyone else had an experience like this .
                          I had broken a leg and said" wow this is going to be inconvenient " the doc started speiling away how kids die of cancer etc, along the line I am a whinging bitch.

                          Well I am sorry for the kids but doc you were just being nasty and I was not impressed.

                          How about this style of thing.
                          The ex had a test during pregnancy that showed she was diabetic . I asked from a retest after my kid was born and told them why I thought the test may not have been fully accurate . They refused and told me the test was accurate . I went elsewhere and retested at my expense and I was right .
                          Umm guys being wrong is one thing being wrong and arrogent enough to compound it is another .

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                          • #14
                            Well.....Don't most Doctors fancy themselves Gods, or at least MEGA GENIUSES? And as such, not bound by such trivial and mundane concerns as the ethics and morality of mere mortals.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
                              How about this style of thing.
                              The ex had a test during pregnancy that showed she was diabetic . I asked from a retest after my kid was born and told them why I thought the test may not have been fully accurate . They refused and told me the test was accurate . I went elsewhere and retested at my expense and I was right .
                              Umm guys being wrong is one thing being wrong and arrogent enough to compound it is another .
                              Pregnancy-induced diabetes isn't really all that uncommon, it's quite possible she was diabetic during pregnancy and wasn't after. For them not to re-test her is irresponsible.

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