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  1. 10-05-2016 #101
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    This has nothing to do with Liberal talking points. This has to do with the fact that rich people are paying little to no Federal income and you guys are OK with that. Like Trump will fix that? Really? You honestly thing he will fix the tax code so he pays equal or more than you or I do? Answer that question honestly.

    The same way he avoided paying hard working people money because of his failed businesses. The same way he scammed hard work college kids with his "University"..

    I cannot fathom anybody believing he is looking out for working class people. He knows how to manipulate the system, not because he is smart, its because he can pay others to do it for him.

    I don't care that he didn't pay taxes. Nobody would voluntarily pay tax that they don't owe. The problem is he loves it, and the only changes will be for the rich to get richer.

    Someone please show a link to his tax policy showing it will benefit you in any significant way. I'm dying to see it. His only policy is to make the rich get richer and hope it trickles down to us idiots that can't manipulate the tax code.
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    And then you have Rudy Giuliani confirming Trumps beliefs. I know this will be labeled "Liberal Talk Points", but his words.

    "Don't you think a man who has this kind of economic genius is a lot better for the United States than a woman?"

    I don't want to put words in his mouth, so you can hear it for yourself.

    http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/10/04/rudy-giuliani-now-denying-he-said-woman-shouldnt-be-president

    But you know, Conservatives support women in all aspects of their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmizzle View Post
    This has nothing to do with Liberal talking points. This has to do with the fact that rich people are paying little to no Federal income and you guys are OK with that. Like Trump will fix that? Really? You honestly thing he will fix the tax code so he pays equal or more than you or I do? Answer that question honestly.

    The same way he avoided paying hard working people money because of his failed businesses. The same way he scammed hard work college kids with his "University"..

    I cannot fathom anybody believing he is looking out for working class people. He knows how to manipulate the system, not because he is smart, its because he can pay others to do it for him.

    I don't care that he didn't pay taxes. Nobody would voluntarily pay tax that they don't owe. The problem is he loves it, and the only changes will be for the rich to get richer.

    Someone please show a link to his tax policy showing it will benefit you in any significant way. I'm dying to see it. His only policy is to make the rich get richer and hope it trickles down to us idiots that can't manipulate the tax code.
    It is everything to do with liberal talking points. Also class warfare.

    The rich do not pay the most taxes, they pay ALL the taxes

    Rich people are not the enemy. Politicians are.

    And re: the bolded

    The Trump Plan will collapse the current seven tax brackets to three brackets. The rates and breakpoints are as shown below. The tax brackets are similar to those in the House GOP tax blueprint.

    Brackets & Rates for Married-Joint filers:
    Less than $75,000: 12%
    More than $75,000 but less than $225,000: 25%
    More than $225,000: 33%
    *Brackets for single filers are ½ of these amounts



    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan/


    So anti Trump people call all his supporters ignorant and uneducated, yet they havent even taken the time to see what his positions are. Those rates save you money, and if your income is <25k you pay ZERO federal income tax.

    As the Tax Foundation put it: “Donald Trump’s plan is a tax cut for all income groups, while Hillary Clinton’s plan is a tax increase on selected income groups”. [Tax Foundation, Sept. 23, 2016]
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmizzle View Post
    And then you have Rudy Giuliani confirming Trumps beliefs. I know this will be labeled "Liberal Talk Points", but his words.

    "Don't you think a man who has this kind of economic genius is a lot better for the United States than a woman?"

    I don't want to put words in his mouth, so you can hear it for yourself.

    http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/10/04/rudy-giuliani-now-denying-he-said-woman-shouldnt-be-president

    But you know, Conservatives support women in all aspects of their lives.

    If were gonna talk about women then its necessary to mention that Hillary took millions of dollars from countries and leaders that persecute women and treat them like dogs.

    Oh and she also defended a child rapist and demonized and attacked all of Bill's victims. She is MARRIED to a predator of women.

    Arkansas rape victim comes forward after 40 years to call Hillary Clinton a ?liar? | Daily Mail Online

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations
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    That's all I'm gonna go with for Hillary, lol.. Has anyone heard of what the "October" surprise was going to be on her?? I heard it was some really creditable "Dirt" on her to be released just before the election.. They keep calling it a game changer..
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    We always hate the rich; a very popular stand especially since we're not rich or we wouldn't be here. It is pure fantasy to say they pay no taxes. If they don't pay federal because of existing laws well they sure do pay lots of other ones.

    Some of you think that rich people just take their money and hide it in a hole somewhere where no one can get it. Hey maybe some do but most don't. Rich people want to get richer, just like all of us, so what do they do? They may invest their money in companies allowing those companies to get bigger and create jobs. They might invest in their own companies or start new one which again brings jobs. They may invent something which again makes companies and again makes jobs.

    What you have now is rich people holding on to their money or packing it overseas because of the tax burden on them. You guys think they are all arrogant bastards; they are not. They don't mind paying taxes but at some point even they think they're being singled out to pay more than their share because they have more. Simply it is not fair.

    I just had breakfast with a teamster, local 553; he supports Trump. He's a great guy. On the back of his truck he has his local sticker as well as a Trump sticker. Since he head of the teamsters endorsed Clinton I asked him if he was getting much grief at work for the Trump sticker. He laughed and I think spit some coffee out. He told me that up until last week his truck was the only one in the parking lot that didn't have Trump sticker. He cares not what the union leader says. He and his buddies know or believe that Trump will get him and his members back to full time work. So do I!
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    Are you really asking me how I am discriminating against RACIST people? Is that a real question? Because they are RACIST. Maybe you like hanging out with RACIST's. Maybe I'm out there on this thinking, but I'm not a fan of racists.



    Discrimination in any form against anybody is simply wrong. The minute you discriminate then you are no better than those you feel that discriminate. If you chose to discriminate, to actually hate which is what it is against any group because of your view of what YOU think they are how is that not the same evil of what you accuse them of? You discriminate,you hate them,because you feel you have the high moral ground because you have decided they are racist. I fail to see how that makes you any better than one who discriminates against someone's color or religion or anything.

    Please explain why your discrimination is better and just as compared to someone's else's!
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    They have all the right to be Racist, because this is America. But I sure as hell would not choose to be around these people. And these are the core supporters of Trump.


    I support Trump so am I a racist, a bigot, low educated, or just deplorable. What a great way to bring a county together by labeling others because of course WE are better than THEM! I'm with THEM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUSP82 View Post

    Some of you think that rich people just take their money and hide it in a hole somewhere where no one can get it. Hey maybe some do but most don't. Rich people want to get richer, just like all of us, so what do they do? They may invest their money in companies allowing those companies to get bigger and create jobs. They might invest in their own companies or start new one which again brings jobs. They may invent something which again makes companies and again makes jobs.
    There is also the fact that they spend the money that they keep for their personal income. This goes back into the economy. To make these purchases it requires people(jobs) to provide the product or service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUSP82 View Post
    They have all the right to be Racist, because this is America. But I sure as hell would not choose to be around these people. And these are the core supporters of Trump.


    I support Trump so am I a racist, a bigot, low educated, or just deplorable. What a great way to bring a county together by labeling others because of course WE are better than THEM! I'm with THEM!
    Like I said, I am not saying all Trump supporters are bigots and racists. I have friends that support Trump. But the core of Trumps support comes from non college educated white men. In that group you have great people that include my friends. But millions are also racist bigots. I guess I said I would discriminate against racists, but that was the wrong word. But I do not like or support racists. The same people that would be hanging black people if they could get away with it. Especially in the South, many are just as racist as they were 50 years ago. The same people that support Trump.

    To reiterate, most Trump supporters are good people. But too many, like millions are racist, bigoted, ant gay, anti Muslim, and anti women. The same people you see all day on forums making racist comments about Obama. And I'm sorry, I don't care for people like that. Its just plain ignorance .
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