Hillary's America...

[CUSP82]

Cav there are those, and unfortunately many that will always hate the rich. The reason that they will never admit to is jealousy. Rich people just have a life of luxury and no worries, They don't see the guy who became rich hat for years never took a paycheck or worked 14 hours a day 7 days a week. They never see how the stress of doing what he did how that stress took a toll on him or her. They just see them with nice houses and nice cars, They never ever see the work that went into them becoming rich. The believe they don't deserve it because they themselves have not been that fortunate. It is that simple.

[Tamora]

So that's why I have no friends!

[CUSP82]

A good discussion.

[CUSP82]

You do know that Trump has always spoken out in favor of gay marriage? Not many want to bring that out because it may make him look good. If you look online you can see what he said to his friend Elton John when he got married. He has stood up for the LGBT community many times but we don't think of that because it doesn't fit the press narrative.

Uneducated white voters? We all get education in this country up to grade 12 so if a guy leaves school after 12 years to become a plumber that makes him uneducated? Some of the smartest people I know never went to college.

What I see from your posts is the same thing I see in the media and from the Clinton campaign. Why would you ask for a link about Trumps tax plan? Did you not go to his website and read and learn and make your own decisions or is it just what you hear.

Years ago when Romney ran against Obama I asked a friend of mine who he was voting for. He said Obama. I asked why and he told me he didn't like Romneys policies. I asked which policy he did not like and he couldn't name any. Sadly that is the way of many voters.

[jockinthebox]

Like I said, I am not saying all Trump supporters are bigots and racists. I have friends that support Trump. But the core of Trumps support comes from non college educated white men. In that group you have great people that include my friends. But millions are also racist bigots. I guess I said I would discriminate against racists, but that was the wrong word. But I do not like or support racists. The same people that would be hanging black people if they could get away with it. Especially in the South, many are just as racist as they were 50 years ago. The same people that support Trump.

To reiterate, most Trump supporters are good people. But too many, like millions are racist, bigoted, ant gay, anti Muslim, and anti women. The same people you see all day on forums making racist comments about Obama. And I'm sorry, I don't care for people like that. Its just plain ignorance .

You wanna discuss "ignorance"?...Racism is no longer "localized", mizzle! Your bias against "southerners" is no less racist than a KKK supporter, IMO. Wake UP! Some of the biggest racists I've ever met were native Bostonians and yes, even Chicagoans. Racism has no borders or boundaries! Southerners get a bad rap that's totally undeserved, IMO. Another example of bias fueled by the media and regurgitated by people who know nothing about any cultures beyond their own backyard!

[Cavalier]

Like I said, I am not saying all Trump supporters are bigots and racists. I have friends that support Trump. But the core of Trumps support comes from non college educated white men. In that group you have great people that include my friends. But millions are also racist bigots. I guess I said I would discriminate against racists, but that was the wrong word. But I do not like or support racists. The same people that would be hanging black people if they could get away with it. Especially in the South, many are just as racist as they were 50 years ago. The same people that support Trump.

To reiterate, most Trump supporters are good people. But too many, like millions are racist, bigoted, ant gay, anti Muslim, and anti women. The same people you see all day on forums making racist comments about Obama. And I'm sorry, I don't care for people like that. Its just plain ignorance .

Unfortunately there will always be people like that. What is important is that they should have the right to say what is on their mind, as well as you calling them racist and bigots, whether it's "politically incorrect" or not. The liberals want to take those rights away from the people of this country. Did you that NYC passed a law where someone can be fined up to $250000 for saying something offensive to, or offending them in any way, a transgender? That's ridiculous!

[dmizzle]

I did look at Trumps tax plan. Its expected to cause a 10-12 trillion dollar deficit. On top of that he wants more military spending. Then he is going to fix our roads and bridges. I want to know how he plans to pay for it all.

And I have nothing agaisnt rich people at all. I don't think Trump did anything wrong. I would have done the same. But I cannot fathom how him and Romney pay less percentage in taxes then we do. Its nothing agaisnt the people, I'm against the system. And his plan makes it even easier for rich people to keep more money. I just don't think its fair that the more money you have, the more breaks you get.

And last, I do know Trump was OK with gay marriage. He was a Democrat until he decided to run for President.

It really doesn't effect me much who wins the election. I'll do completely fine regardless.

[dmizzle]

You wanna discuss "ignorance"?...Racism is no longer "localized", mizzle! Your bias against "southerners" is no less racist than a KKK supporter, IMO. Wake UP! Some of the biggest racists I've ever met were native Bostonians and yes, even Chicagoans. Racism has no borders or boundaries! Southerners get a bad rap that's totally undeserved, IMO. Another example of bias fueled by the media and regurgitated by people who know nothing about any cultures beyond their own backyard!

Of course there are racists everywhere. But the South gets a bad rap because thats where the majority of racists rednecks live. Ive been to Arkansas, and Tennessee. Even in Missouri. Running around in their trucks with Confederate flags blaming the Nig*** Obama for everything. Its not the media. Ive been there.

[burtybasset]

He says that, but even with more trust worthy politicians no one actually believes it, because of who he is. Yes, it is important to tell the uncomfortable truths. Ignoring the problems and lying about how bad they are isn't good, but this is a man who has a ~50% rate of lying during this election. I can barely trust politicians normally and Trump the least of all of them. Trump used to talk about how he hates how those skip out on taxes, but then he talks about how he is smart for not paying taxes, and he definitely won't do anything to fix the tax code or stop businesses or the 1% from making it their bitch.

Where do you get the 50% figure from?

I'm not quite sure if your tax system works the same as ours, but I imagine it is. Over here you are expected to make a loss your first few years of trading or pursuing a new business venture due to set up costs etc. The years costs are offset against your tax, so I imagine Trump employing so many has a hell of a lot of expenses which get deducted from his taxes.

I don't get the logic anyway, should he pay tax on money that he has lost?

Imagine you plant apple seeds in a garden hoping they will grow into apple trees so you can sell apples and the seeds cost you $5. If those trees fail to grow or die, is it fair to charge you tax on the $5 you lost? You made no profit and have no apples, you made a loss, so I can't really ask for taxes on something you don't have. You will have already paid tax on the seeds in the first place by the simple act of purchasing them.

Don't know if this makes sense, but by charging you tax on the money you invested, hoping to make a return on, but lost, it would be a little like kicking a man in the nuts after he's had a vasectomy.

I see what you're trying to do. Talking about Trump as if he is the lesser evil, but in this election there is no lesser evil, they are both terrible. In the past you could talk about the lesser evil, but not this time. Each one has so much crap wrong with them it is ever a wonder how we got here, but if you are going to like either one you still need to know the massive flaws with each.

I'm glad you see, but I'm not talking about Trump like he's the lesser evil, but maybe the necessary one. Even though I don't see him as all that evil personally.

[jockinthebox]

Of course there are racists everywhere. But the South gets a bad rap because thats where the majority of racists rednecks live. Ive been to Arkansas, and Tennessee. Even in Missouri. Running around in their trucks with Confederate flags blaming the Nig*** Obama for everything. Its not the media. Ive been there.

Statistics don't lie. Southerners / mid-westerners & West Coasters are by far the most tolerant of any other region of the US, IMO. I know, I've LIVED there. Southerners may be more "redneck" but you're confusing regional pride with genuine racism, IMO. They're 2 different things.

Why were there civil protests in the South when integration laws were passed, but Boston had Full-blown riots in the streets over affirmative action / integration of the public schools? Why is Chicago's murder rate so high (already topping 500 this year in SO. Chicago alone)? That's NOT racism, it's "thugism" / black on black crime. I'll certainly tolerate rednecks running around in pickup trucks with their confederate flags before I'd defend thugs and the street crime & murders in Chicago! I've lived there too.