Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[madyogi]

According to a study covering the period from July 1 through August 23 in the November Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report of the “questionable” CDC organization: after implementation of mask mandates in 24 Kansas counties, the increasing trend in COVID-19 incidence reversed. Although rates were considerably higher in mandated counties than in nonmandated counties, rates in mandated counties declined markedly after July 3, compared with those in nonmandated counties. Kansas counties that had mask mandates in place appear to have mitigated the transmission of COVID-19, whereas counties that did not have mask mandates continued to experience increases in cases.The findings in this report are consistent with declines in COVID-19 cases observed in 15 states and the District of Columbia, which mandated masks, compared with states that did not have mask mandates (7).

This doesn't surprise me, though I'd love to see a link (there wasn't one in your post).

I also suspect this is why Asian countries had an easier time containing the spread: widespread mask usage isn't seen as an affront to their freedom, and isn't highly unusual, so it wasn't a big deal for more people to wear them more often, but I don't have evidence to back that suspicion up.

[not2big]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm

[CUSP82]

Masks; well I could go on for days about them having to have used them longer than most guys here have been alive.
People will bring up stats and studies to say this or that because the studies and stats were done with a purpose in mind.

You can tell me that once Iowa started wearing masks the transmission rate went down. Great! A mask mandate in an area or state tends to do one major thing; it scares people. Normal people when told they must wear a mask to go anywhere tend not to go anywhere as much as they did before the mandate. Now with less people out and about of course the transmission rate is lower.
Now will anyone do a study on human activity before a mask mandate and then after? Of course not; it doesn't fit the narrative. Besides it would actually be impossible to conduct such a study but what I see and what I know is that there is less activity in mandated areas......but only for a while. After a month or two and the transmission level goes lower human activity does increase because people have gotten over the fear. Oh the level will slowly rise again as it has done in many mask mandated areas. My state has a mandate and when first done the level dropped and funny now that we're all wearing masks here the level is rising.

Yogi you said a very insightful thing; you don't see the problem with wearing a mask when you're going into crowed areas as you go out and about. The key to preventing the spread is distance and duration. If you keep a distance and don't stay with one person or group too long you don't need to wear a mask; you will not have time enough or close enough proximity to actually attain the viral load you need to get sick. Somehow people thing if one covid virus cell enters your body you're dead. It doesn't work that way.

Now look at the harm mask do cause. How many of you throw away your mask the minute you get home and throw it in an outside garbage can? Not many; you guys will wear that mask until it looks like worms ate it. I see most masks hanging on rear view mirrors just incubating what you've been collecting on it over the last week. Then of course we'll take out hands and place a bacteria/virus ladden mask back on out face and of course what's on the mask is now on your hands. Now that we have covered our hands with whatever we have on our mask we'll go to the supermarket and touch everything there; sounds clean huh?

We were told to wear masks but we were never trained, never told the right protocols on use and disposal. Yes people put on a mask and think they're protected but they're not. There is one right way and a million wrong ways to use a mask.

I could go on and on but I won't. You want to stay safe? With or without a mask wash your hands often and remember distance and duration; that is the key.

[not2big]

The minimum infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is unknown so far, but researchers suspect it is low. “The virus is spread through very, very casual interpersonal contact,” W. David Hardy, a professor of infectious disease at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

[CUSP82]

Researchers suspect the loading dose is low? Are these the same people that told me not to wear a mask, that Americans need not be concerned with this virus, there is no proof of airborne transmission, that this virus will be no worse than a bad flu season, that staying indoors in close quarters was a good thing, that schools should be closed to protect our children; no thanks they have proved to me that instead of keeping their mouths shut until they know these things called "facts" they will simply say anything to get quoted. Links for each of these quotes by the experts will be available upon request or you can look it up.

[not2big]

Those are the people who have been studying the infection intensely for the past 10 months and are willing to make adjustments as new information is evaluated and not stuck in a rut of predisposed supposition.

[madyogi]

Masks; well I could go on for days about them having to have used them longer than most guys here have been alive.
People will bring up stats and studies to say this or that because the studies and stats were done with a purpose in mind.

You can tell me that once Iowa started wearing masks the transmission rate went down. Great! A mask mandate in an area or state tends to do one major thing; it scares people. Normal people when told they must wear a mask to go anywhere tend not to go anywhere as much as they did before the mandate. Now with less people out and about of course the transmission rate is lower.
Now will anyone do a study on human activity before a mask mandate and then after? Of course not; it doesn't fit the narrative. Besides it would actually be impossible to conduct such a study but what I see and what I know is that there is less activity in mandated areas......but only for a while. After a month or two and the transmission level goes lower human activity does increase because people have gotten over the fear. Oh the level will slowly rise again as it has done in many mask mandated areas. My state has a mandate and when first done the level dropped and funny now that we're all wearing masks here the level is rising.

Yogi you said a very insightful thing; you don't see the problem with wearing a mask when you're going into crowed areas as you go out and about. The key to preventing the spread is distance and duration. If you keep a distance and don't stay with one person or group too long you don't need to wear a mask; you will not have time enough or close enough proximity to actually attain the viral load you need to get sick. Somehow people thing if one covid virus cell enters your body you're dead. It doesn't work that way.

Now look at the harm mask do cause. How many of you throw away your mask the minute you get home and throw it in an outside garbage can? Not many; you guys will wear that mask until it looks like worms ate it. I see most masks hanging on rear view mirrors just incubating what you've been collecting on it over the last week. Then of course we'll take out hands and place a bacteria/virus ladden mask back on out face and of course what's on the mask is now on your hands. Now that we have covered our hands with whatever we have on our mask we'll go to the supermarket and touch everything there; sounds clean huh?

We were told to wear masks but we were never trained, never told the right protocols on use and disposal. Yes people put on a mask and think they're protected but they're not. There is one right way and a million wrong ways to use a mask.

I could go on and on but I won't. You want to stay safe? With or without a mask wash your hands often and remember distance and duration; that is the key.

This is pretty reasonable from where I sit. I agree more education as to how to appropriately use/clean/etc a mask would be helpful. That said, the argument that mask wearing causes more harm than good on the aggregate is pretty unconvincing to me at this point. My sense has always been that you wear a mask only when you can't avoid close indoor contact with others. That's how I do it. If I'm outdoors I don't worry with it, because outdoor spread seems to be near non-existent.

FWIW, Cusp pointed out that there are likely 3x as many cases in reality as have been reported. Wouldn't the same hold true of influenza? So if official totals reflect influenza death rates at .1%, might we also then assume that death rate is far lower than those numbers reflect? That doesn't change much, but if the standard is applied to one situation, it has to be applied across the board, and it doesn't really change the fact that this virus is an order of magnitude more serious than the flu.

The mother of a close friend of my wife is currently in Covid ICU, and has been for over a week. She went in on day 11 of her infection. She's not been on a ventilator at this point, but it's a very serious situation, and she was a relatively healthy, active 65 year-old before contracting Covid.

[Johnny D]

Where masks and lockdowns were mandated, the numbers were already on the decline. They were following the curve of all seasonal viruses. Peru and Spain have militant restrictions and have mandated masks since the beginning.

Asking people to wear masks is fine. Mandates, not fine. But there still is no evidence of a significant threat of non-symptomatic transmission. Until that can be shown, even asking people to wear a mask is purely symbolic.

[Johnny D]

It would be better for our people if Walmart were shut down so mom and pops could thrive. Even capitalism should have some restraint.

Look what Amazon has done to mom and pops, it goes on and on, what about Pfizer and the big pharma.

Capitalism would be great again if monopolies were busted up, until then, it will continue to destroy.

Its still far better than socialism

OK. I see. So your beef isn't with capitalism - it's with government. So you're a fan of capitalism, but not a fan of how it might be exploited (perverted, even) by the government.

BTW... Amazon has done a lot for small businesses. The Amazon Marketplace has given small businesses access to a consumer audience that they never would have been able to reach before. Not to mention being a huge win for the consumer.

[Party]

So this thread has gone quiet after the FDA approval of the Vaccine. And, all the sudden the media and the Democrats are on board. Operation Warp Speed worked and no mention of Trump’s initiative. So petty. Let’s look back four years....Hillary had the election locked up...not.
allwe heard from the Pelosi gang of fools was Russian involvement and impeachment. You can’t possibly tell me if Trump had won, Biden wouldn’t be challenging the result like was done with Trump four years ago. So hypocritical. Makes me sick.