Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[not2big]

It is true that legislation authorized higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting.
Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the American Medical Association’s Journal of Ethics, told PolitiFact it is “very unlikely that physicians or hospitals will falsify data or be motivated by money to do so.”

[CUSP82]

Do you really think anyone from the AMA would admit they were doing that? Doctors and hospitals have been doing that for years. Let's see so Medicare pays X for this, I need to make Y to at least stay in business so who fills in the gap? Duh!

[Fizzby2233]

There is much that has to be done to lift people up whose jobs are being affected by the restriction and lock down. I have no doubt that there is much depression and unhappiness with the stay at home orders. Between society at large and the federal government much has to be done people suffering As a consequence of trying to keep the more vulnerable safe. A person who is eighty and fragile still has value and deserves protecting as much as anyone. We fight wars to protect our countries. People suffer during a war because of all the sacrifices required. People talk about helping out in the war effort. Well this is a war and the medical community and essential workers are the soldiers. My part of the war effort is easy to my mind. Wear a mask and get vaccinated. My brother is a doctor at a major hospital in Texas. He said people are feeling bad about not being able to be with their families and think that is not fair. I agree but he said he and his staff will be with the sick and dying for Christmas and new years and for months to come. Social distance a mask and a vaccine is such an easy lift for us to do to help the real heheroes have bought gift cards from my favorite restaurants and I don't intend to use them so the businesses can keep the money. I am just saying I believe that I am trying to do all the things that one person can do to help.

[Marlon LGHanger]

Just a few stats on world wide deaths YTD

17.9 Million Cardiovascular diseases
8,023,219 Cancer
4,883,559 Smoking
2,443,219 Booze
1,318,718 Traffic fatalities

Bottom line.... life is fragile! If you live in constant fear of losing your life, don't get fat, don't drink, don't smoke and don't drive!

[Fizzby2233]

Almost all of those are self inflicted or genetic except for traffic accident which can be someone else fault much like second hand smoke. I can't give someone my heart disease but I can give someone covid and they can give it. And so on. Agreed life is fragile so we need to live in caring and careful ways trying to make the most of our moment on stage. Keto. IF. Weights. Bettering yourself everyday. Making the most out of our fragile lives.

[Johnny D]

I understand your rationale. I'm glad that you're confident that Covid won't kill you. Not to rain on your parade but the flu vaccine is the least effective vaccine out there at 40%-60% depending on the dominant strains for the given year. I still advocate everyone get it because vaccines don't cause harm, but just saying.

What parade? You're not telling me anything I don't already know about flu vaccines. But, again, they've stood the test of time and the risks are outweighed by the rewards - even if the reward is that I only get a flu a few times less. And, again, Covid vaccines have not proven themselves over time.

[Johnny D]

It is true that legislation authorized higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting.
Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the American Medical Association’s Journal of Ethics, told PolitiFact it is “very unlikely that physicians or hospitals will falsify data or be motivated by money to do so.”

Fraudulent, perhaps not. But testing asymptomatic people and listing them as infected with a virus is skewing the numbers and using them to advantage.

[Pegasus]

Some asymtomatic people are infected with a range of different illnesses this is valuable info that should be collected .

Testing accuracy is a different matter and has been an issue.

[HansTwilight]

I am not interested in a back and forth about these issues. The accurate information is all out there as far as how disease spread and what it takes for herd immunity as opposed to "herd mentality" There is substantial medical and scientic illiteracy manifest right now in our Q anon world. Ask me also what my facts are that the world is in fact round. Some thing have actually already been proven and epidemiologist understand how viruses work. Unfortunately public health is at loggerheads with capitalism and people's livelihood. But I think it can't be argued that dead people can't run businesses and it is not the best business practice to endanger, sicken or kill your customers. If everyone does their part and participates in communal sacrifice we will get through this to a better time. If people persist in conspiracy theories and baseless claims this will drag on. That is one of the lessons that history has already taught us 1918 pandemic.

Exactly, these mayors and governers are tearing apart people's businesses, income, life savings etc.

[HansTwilight]

Also, remove politics from the situation. Why would you not get the vaccine?

Long term safety? I get it, cool, don't get the vaccine then. No big deal.

Another hypothetical, would you only get a vaccine for a deadly disease? If a vaccine were developed for the common cold, would you get it? I sure would.

God knows what kind of shit they could be putting in those vaccines. The fact that they are resulting to big tech silencing Republican views on nearly all social media platforms and only posting Pro CNN bullshit just shows that they are trying to manipulate and control us.
Look at everything that has been happening, our society has changed so much. Even movies that came out 2-3 years ago has the same agenda of shit being pushed now. Liberalism, blatant over-empowering/victimizing black people, hen pecking and oppressing men in nearly all depicted relationships. This was all planned out. Now they are playing with people's lives and they businesses(our economy) via a virus that could have very likely been manufactured in a lab (maybe that was part of the plan). It makes perfect sense for them to eventually result to drugging us and using a pandemic as a convenient excuse.
Does anyone even remember George Floyd? $20 Derek Chauven get's off scott free due to insufficient evidence (he could have died from drugs). People will riot like crazy and it will get pushed so hard. They will continue to defund and dismantle police.

First off Fizzy good discussion; much will be learned.

Now who puts the vulnerable at risk? Is it societies job to basically close the country to protect vulnerable people? Is it not those that are vulnerable to protect themselves? If I am vulnerable I don't go out where people are around,I don't have them in my house, I have all that I need delivered and in the rare event that I need to go out I will wear the best mask I can buy and gloves. Why should the rest of the community stand on their heads to protect me? Exactly when did I have to stop being responsible for me and let someone else have all the fun?

Oh I know it's to save my life; got it. Now while my community is doing all it can to protect me what is happening to my community? People are losing their jobs; the business they built with their hard work is now gone leaving them broke. Alcoholism, drug use and overdosage,spousal abuse,childhood depression and well as adult depression are all on a steep incline. Education for our kids is in shambles.Homicides and robberies on the rise. I mean I really appreciate my community doing all that for me but it appears to me that what they are doing to protect me is killing them in many way faster than any virus could.
Oh but we're protecting my life and the small minority in this country.Oh but every life is precious; Yes each life is precious to a point and that point is when protecting you hurts other lives. Is it fair to ruin so many lives when it should be my responsibility to protect myself?

You're a god. Again, convenient excuses to fuck the entire world up. People need to wake up from this.