Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[Fizzby2233]

It was good to hear Dr Fauci on Meet the Press saying that we need to double down on the health care measures like wearing masks social distancing and getting vaccinated. Yes as the science has evolved messaging has evolved that is actually smart not an admission of anything negative. What may be a shock and awe to some is the fact that these new behavior are something we all need to learn because Covid isn't the last virus crisis we will face in our lives. Yes bummer but true and the more we know and the better we are to hit it head on the better we will fair. If the next crisis is greeted by the same attack on scientically vetted and continually evolving information we will have the worst outcome in the world again.

[Johnny D]

The problem with that is the blatant disregard for science. Fauci loves to have the microphone and plays to the media. It seems you're willing to believe everything he says despite evidence to the contrary.

[Fizzby2233]

The problem with that is the blatant disregard for science. Fauci loves to have the microphone and plays to the media. It seems you're willing to believe everything he says despite evidence to the contrary.

I have not seen any evidence to the contrary from JAMA WHO CDC. Yes there are non scientific sites with a political bent that present pseudo science arguments. Yes Fauci is a public figure and often asked to be interviewed and lucky for those who have ears to hear that he can be that voice of reason so lacking in public discourse.

[Pegasus]

Umm isn't Fauci the head medical guy who has the most up to date knowledge . So far as I understand he presents the same message as other leading medical authorities .

I don't know where you are geting this other info but I would examine the quality of the source.

[Pegasus]

Clever!

The point is that there are places considered "successful" where harsh restrictions weren't in force. People only want to copy the successful places that enforced interventions and ignore the fact that there is no correlation. Another example: In the US we have North and South Dakota - similar climate and population densities. When ND enforced a mask mandate, their mortality rate climbed. At the very same time, SD with no mask mandate saw their mortality rate decline.

I also don't believe success should be measured by Covid - public health has many more variables than simply one virus - but that's another topic.

Nowhere in the US should be considered a success..

My home state of Queensland has had 6 covid deaths the Nothern Territory has had none.

[Fizzby2233]

Bottom line on the mask and 6 foot social distance discussion for me. Lets say that JAMA, WHO, CDC and all the highest ranking Public Health officials have gotten together to pull the wool over our mouths for completely bogus reasons. Well if I follow that information worse case scenario I look silly wearing a mask and keeping my distance from people in public setting, but at least I am not complicit in putting myself or others in potentially deadly danger. Best case scenario I keep myself and others safe and participate in the communal good without losing any of my freedoms (remember we can't smoke on planes and have to wear seatbelts by law and people do that).
Now lets say I believe the blogger sites and push the message that masks are unproven for safety of self and others. Up side I get lucky and don't get sick or maybe just end up asymptomatic and I am complicit in getting others sick. Worse case scenario I get sick maybe die and others get sick maybe die.
Tough choice but I chose the one that I just look silly if I am wrong and don't kill myself or others. But that is just me.

[CUSP82]

Don't you think public health agencies are just loving what's going on? No I don't mean the virus. Public health now is in the spotlight getting all this attention they never had before. They have real power and they exercise it whether it's well thought out or not. With power and attention comes all his new funding. Right they are simply keeping people safe and they care less about all the new power they have and the money that goes with it and I'm a ballerina.

[CUSP82]

Now let's go back to he mask thing. My county has more than 3 million people living here. We have been wearing masks for a long time. No matter where I go I never see anyone without one yet the numbers rise; why?
The answer is simple; public health failed again. The CDC with it's 6 billion dollar budget is supposed to protect our country from what is happening now. That is their mission statement. They are to prevent things like a covid virus from even coming close to here. The Chinese, WHO and Fauci all told us last January that this was not airborne transmission so they essentially did nothing until it was too late. It had nothing to do with politics but it sure was easy to blame Trump for their failure. Hey they even got on the man's case when he stopped travel at the end of January 2020 calling the ban all kinds of names when Fauci should have recommended that right off the bat.
Then public health says we'll all be safer if we wear masks yet the numbers go up.If you know anything about infection transmission you will easily see that people are wearing them wrong, not changing them frequently which all increase the risks of infection. There has not been one message from public health about the proper usage of masks so we send people out into the world thinking they're safe and they are increasing, not decreasing their odds of getting ill. Yup I follow public health guidelines which really don't exist other than wear a mask, wash your hands and stay 6 feet apart. Great guidance.

[Johnny D]

Umm isn't Fauci the head medical guy who has the most up to date knowledge . So far as I understand he presents the same message as other leading medical authorities .

I don't know where you are geting this other info but I would examine the quality of the source.

And many other scientists contradict him (not to mention the numerous times he contradicted himself) so he is far from the be-all, end-all voice in the discussion. I examine the quality of the source every time and have posted repeatedly where "this other info" is coming from.

Nowhere in the US should be considered a success..

My home state of Queensland has had 6 covid deaths the Nothern Territory has had none.

About the same as Taiwan, who hasn't implemented lockdowns. You're missing the point. The data shows no correlation between non-pharmaceutical interventions and "success". Cherry-picking countries who have done well to use as examples while ignoring places that have implemented the same measures and not done well and places that have implemented no measures and done just as well is not science.

[Johnny D]

I have not seen any evidence to the contrary from JAMA WHO CDC. Yes there are non scientific sites with a political bent that present pseudo science arguments. Yes Fauci is a public figure and often asked to be interviewed and lucky for those who have ears to hear that he can be that voice of reason so lacking in public discourse.

Data doesn't have a political bent. You're simply following the big-tech model and have determined that anything that goes against your adopted narrative is false.

Bottom line on the mask and 6 foot social distance discussion for me. Lets say that JAMA, WHO, CDC and all the highest ranking Public Health officials have gotten together to pull the wool over our mouths for completely bogus reasons. Well if I follow that information worse case scenario I look silly wearing a mask and keeping my distance from people in public setting, but at least I am not complicit in putting myself or others in potentially deadly danger. Best case scenario I keep myself and others safe and participate in the communal good without losing any of my freedoms (remember we can't smoke on planes and have to wear seatbelts by law and people do that).

Airlines have the right to tell their passengers what's allowed and not (gov't shouldn't even intervene) and seatbelt laws are an infringement on personal freedom that you're apparently willing to enforce on others.

Now lets say I believe the blogger sites and push the message that masks are unproven for safety of self and others. Up side I get lucky and don't get sick or maybe just end up asymptomatic and I am complicit in getting others sick. Worse case scenario I get sick maybe die and others get sick maybe die.
Tough choice but I chose the one that I just look silly if I am wrong and don't kill myself or others. But that is just me.

Of course you can do what you like. As I've said, when people are uncomfortable without me in a mask, I put one on. In fact, I ask them if they would like me to, despite the fact that they're just for show. But when they start being mandated and people are believing in their effectiveness despite the evidence, that's just blind ignorance.