The Conspicuous Penis: Crotch Watching

[RickBhmcsb]

Those must some tight fitting jeans. Are those coming back? That was 20 some years ago...

My jeans are loose fitting but not baggy.

[RickBhmcsb]

Now that its come up, I think there was this one girl I used to work with whose eyes would sometimes drift down to that particular area...

[JonasKay]

my bulge comes more from my balls than my dick...for now. PE is starting to change that though. And regarding pants it has nothing to do with the height of the waistband, it has more to do with the height of the crotch...now that guys are actually wearing pants where the crotch isn't halfway down the thigh.

[Rando]

my bulge comes more from my balls than my dick...for now. PE is starting to change that though. And regarding pants it has nothing to do with the height of the waistband, it has more to do with the height of the crotch...now that guys are actually wearing pants where the crotch isn't halfway down the thigh.

The height of the crotch is called the "rise" and I mentioned it in my post. Low rise pants have a lot of room in the crotch and high rise is much tighter to the crotch. I just learned about that about 6 months ago and I think from now on I will only get high rise pants b/c I don't mind being a little bit of an exhibitionist.

[Thick_Unit]

How tight do jeans generally have to be to show a bulge? I have a couple somewhat slim fitting jeans that don't seem to show much of a bulge and I don't really like skinny jeans. Maybe the rise has a lot to do with it, high rise pants probably tend to show off more of a bulge. I have a slightly above average flaccid 4.3x4.3, maybe you pretty much need a monster for the bulge to be noticeable.

khakis pants can be a problem for sure. Jeans Depends on the style with the variable when breaking them in.(this can hugely determent of the bulge that is made)

[JonasKay]

The height of the crotch is called the "rise" and I mentioned it in my post. Low rise pants have a lot of room in the crotch and high rise is much tighter to the crotch. I just learned about that about 6 months ago and I think from now on I will only get high rise pants b/c I don't mind being a little bit of an exhibitionist.

Really? You know that's what I always thought, but there are SO MANY low-rise jeans out right now that I buy and they are ridiculously tight on the crotch. But I mean low-rise like Sevens, not the baggy low-rise from the mid 90s where you pinned your pants to your boxers. Well, call it what you like, I don't think there's anything wrong with a slight indication of my size. I don't want them seeing veins, but just a nice general bulge makes me feel good.

[Roamer]

Totalpackage I think you are uncomfortable because know you notice them noticing. I think that they have been looking all along
and you did not notice.

That is how it is with me since I read this thread. I wear dark khakis pants that are not tight and my 4x4 shows a bump that
I now see women looking at.

[totalpackage]

Totalpackage I think you are uncomfortable because know you notice them noticing. I think that they have been looking all along
and you did not notice.

That is how it is with me since I read this thread. I wear dark khakis pants that are not tight and my 4x4 shows a bump that
I now see women looking at.

Perhaps you are right -- maybe women had looked before but I am only aware of it now that I am PEing and spending half my day thinking about my cock size!

This is a tricky situation -- I like the idea that women are noticing my bulge, but I don't really like the idea of showing myself off, and I certainly don't like the idea of men looking at the bulge in that way. So I might opt for baggier pants, at least in some settings.

By the way, for those more exhibitionist than I, the jeans that highlight the bulge the most for me are the Seven Slimmys: http://www.7forallmankind.com/Mens_Denim_Slim/pl/c/57.html.

[Phoenix7672]

I know I'm bumping an old thread, but figured it was better than starting a new one on the same topic (found it via search).

Although I've only just started thinking more about PE, I've been paying more attention to things and have definitely started to notice a number of girls 'looking down there'. I don't wear skinny jeans but mine aren't that baggy, so on a good day there's normally a bit of a bulge/outline down the right.

Since I've started to notice this I'm actually adding to my goals an extra inch of flaccid and hopefully 0.5 girth (so goal of at least 5.25 long and 4.5-4.75 girth flaccid), since if I have any sort of semi (which puts me about that size), I notice it happening a LOT more.

The only bad part is I have a strong preference for asian girls, and I've had maybe 1 look. Most seem to walk around like robots (especially if they just moved here), and probably wouldn't notice a 12x7 flaccid in a guy's pants, lol.

[austinfella]

Think this thread needs reviving for a number of reasons:

• Attention from females is arguably closely related to the outcome, in part, which many of us seek
• There is a lot still to be learned of the hidden reality of female attention and psychology toward men sexually (see https://edge.org/response-detail/10356)
• Field testing reactions in the absence of sexual encounters, if there is a barometer of "female attention" to be had, would provide a meaningful feedback loop for PE practitioners day to day (even if informal), with a much larger sample size than a committed partner (more feedback might mean more motivation to stick with it)
• In my opinion, Big Al's original post is the closest narrative on a hidden reality as I've found anywhere on the internet ... let's repeat his hypothesis of universal principles:

1. A woman will only check out your crotch if she's attracted to you
2. Size matters ......... And now let me distill a few more hypothetical principles from Big Al's experience, other contributors to this thread, my own observations, and a little bit of field research I've done lately.
3. Not all women look down there, but a lot do (echoing Phoenix7672's experience based on my own)
4. The flaccid bulge is the target of the looks (Big Al's experience, mine, and other sources saying the same thing)
5. Some who notice will give you greater attention (channeling the thread here as well as recent experience)
6. Some will overtly stare and not care / most will avert there eyes and do anything to avoid getting caught looking (maybe this is alpha / beta / gamma / etc female behavior - see Alpha/Sigma/Beta/Gamma & Omega Females. | Miscellaneous forum)
7. If they don't think you see them, the reactions get pretty visceral and a lot of non-verbal cues happen (early hypothesis but some evidence)
8. Women who perceive a divide in social status between them and the objectified male may react even more strongly (very early hypothesis)

So to expand on the new ground I'm hoping we can start to tread here ...

On #3, here is a bit of history - I've been at PE for 1.5 years, gone from flaccid 3x3 to flaccid 5x4. I think I noticed some greater attention in the first year but really was under the impression that women generally fell into one of these categories a) didn't look, b) were better than us dogs and only did it accidentally, c) were worried about being slut shamed but looked sometimes and never wanted to get caught. This changed in the last 6 months as a co-worker began to be more obvious about her glances which made me think this was isolated but interesting. That was until a vacation recently that had me in shorts in a party-like atmosphere. Be it the flow of alcohol at night or the gregariousness about, there was a lot of crotch watching happening. During the day, in family friendly settings this was almost equally evident even while I was with my daughters and wife walking hand in hand. Still though, it seemed hard to catch women red handed ogling the goods, though there were a several smiles offered when our eyes met after what I perceived had indeed happened. I decided to sort of dig a little deeper and see if I could catch the glance when women thought I was unaware. On a recent business trip I decided to run a few field tests and get photo evidence of the glance. To my great surprise, it wasn't happening sometimes, it was happening quite often. In 8 attempts to catch this, I found 6 examples of prolonged staring, each within about a 2-3 minute window of opportunity.

On #4 It seems the flaccid bulge is the target and in fact 5 flaccid to 6 erect may be more attractive (before sex) than 3 to 7. If you think about it, unless we're talking about an "awkward boner" situation which might actually incite giggles, the normal thing women have to look at (to overstate the obvious possibly) is the flaccid bulge.

On #5 I followed up the field tests on the business trips with a few encounters back home in retail situations (e.g. by going to the mall and various stores). What I found was that if the woman was likely sexually active and seemed to notice the bulge, then I got very disproportionate attention compared to other customers, including volunteering to help me in unexpected ways (for example going through 8 stacks of jeans to lay out fashionable options that would look good on me, fully punching out a frequent shopper card even though the purchase didn't warrant it, out of context asking for my name / volunteering hers, greater eye contact, laughing, side glance looks), even to the point of a couple women initiating physical contact (i.e. keno escalation, arm touching, hands brushing, hip to hip contact).

On #6 I had one encounter with a different coworker on our first meeting wherein she was pretty obvious about looking, but what was different from all of the others is at the end of a meeting with a group of people she made a point to stand across from me, look down right at the bulge, and thank me for my time / telling me what a "great pleasure it was to connect", and for 15-20 seconds staring the whole time while she talked, after which she looked at me and just smiled a most wicked grin. She was quite older and probably at what I would think to be the edge of sexually active, but maybe she was just didn't give a damn who caught her anymore. She definitely struck me as alpha. This was in sharp contrast to most of the rest of my sample, many of whom seem to "hide under their eyelashes" while looking and thinking they weren't seen. However, I caught many with photo evidence by surreptitiously acting like i was on my phone while i was actually capturing a video (all in a public setting). As soon as I would turn toward them, the glance would avert.

On #7, what i've seen is lip biting, lip licking, cheek biting, closing the eyes for an extended period (maybe visualizing?), mouth pursing, mouth gaping, clasping hands, hands touching the neck, long hair strokes (sometime 2 handed), head tilting, wider eyes, hands stroking the thigh or buttocks. This is from no more than 15 observations.

On #8, this may not pan out, but I ran across some social dynamics research that suggested this may be true (sorry the one link I can't find). Also, when I've been in a suit and tie or sport coat and there was some reason to believe there's a divide in social status, the reactions have seem to be stronger. This is more gut feel than quantitative at this point.

Anyway, if anyone else has experiences I encourage you to contribute, I think we still have a lot to learn and I believe there really is a hidden reality here. I speculate to think that maybe a lot of women aren't very sexually liberated and have a lot of societal pressure to not admit to themselves and especially others that they have a strong biological drive here. Something they might try to suppress and as the lack of information in the area suggests, seldom discuss. Lastly, one resource I found where women do openly talk about crotch watching is the book "My Secret Garden", there's a whole chapter on this topic with letters written by women.