If the lifestyles study was published...

[DemOne]

You press it in towards the bone, just don`t bend the ruler. It is done like this so that everyone that is measured are measured in the same way, not "pressed" more or less than others.

Yup, and how many people out there would know what to do if we told them to measure at the Pubic Symphysis, or the pubic lower pubic junction...or even the frontal part of the pelvic floor region?

[helpmeout]

Gently pressing the ruler at the top of the pubic region.

We press the ruler against the Pubic Symphysis, which is a cartilage joint that connects the two sides of the pelvic bone together. That's why the medical community would never call what we call BPEL bone-pressed.

The area at which we press can be called the top of the pubic region, the Pubic Symphysis, or the lower pubic/pubis junction.

I would call what you just said bone pressed too. Gently "pressing". The word pressing isn't in the lifestyles info. Did that say that in the e-mail that they sent to you? Or in the published study you saw?

I know 100 percent that studies don't use the terminology bone pressed, but they very often, almost 100 percent of the time, use the terminology "pressed to the pubic bone", or "Pubo-Penile skin junction".

And I agree Thomas, there is no point, and it would be dumb for them not too. However, by the wording, it sounds like it was NBP. And demone's the only one on earth who said hes heard something otherwise.


All i'm asking demone, is that in that e-mail they sent you, did they go into further detail about it being "pressed", or did you get the same e-mail that I did that just said the press release for their study?

[helpmeout]

The starting point was on the dorsal aspect of the penis at its base at the pubic–penile skin junction, pushing the prepubic fat pad against the pubic bone as described by Wessels et al,³ while the tip of the penis was the other reference point.



^ Another quote from another study that uses Pubic Bone. It's a bunch of garbage that studies "don't say pubic bone". Thats just flat out wrong.

[NP97]

Oh my lord!
Listen, who cares?
They are measured BPEL. You aren't suppose to draw blood when you measure, just enough that you bypass most of the fat pad. Lightly pressed means you're not trying to impale your groin with a ruler. You wanna think it's different, go ahead...
Gotta keep in mind which studies you're looking at. If they are saying pubic bone, well... since there isn't a bone I doubt it's very trustworthy.

[helpmeout]

I care because we have certain members arrogantly telling other members that they are wrong when using the term "pubic bone" and that studies don't use the term "pubic bone" when they very much so in fact do. And these studies are all trustworthy. Every study that measures BPEL says pubic bone. Unless your saying every full text of every study thats ever measured bone pressed is untrustworthy, then Pubic bone is the proper term.

Nothing in this world annoys me more than people correcting other people in an arrogant fashion when they are in fact easily proven wrong.

[mazinstar76]

There is a German publication in a medical journal, with title: "DOES PENILE SIZE IN YOUNGER MEN CAUSE PROBLEMS IN CONDOM USE? A PROSPECTIVE MEASUREMENT OF PENILE DIMENSIONS IN 111 YOUNG AND 32 OLDER MEN" by Schneider, Sperling et al.
Anyone with access can download the paper.

In their methodology they say:
"... we measured the penile length in the flaccid state from the pubic-penile skin junction to the meatus with a ruler. The prepubic fat pad was pushed to the bone at the maximum. The penile width was measured at the base and the glans penis with a caliper. Patients were left for a period in privacy and after self-stimulation (visual and manual), all measurements were repeated at full erection."

But they also have a nice table "Penile length reported by various investigators (1899 to present)" where they say for the Wessels et al. study, that it is 12.89cm and then states for Wessels et al. study that is is 15.74cm "Functional length", with the following legend: "Functional length = erect length + fat pad length".

[ By the way, this table is nice. Gives sample size, age, how data were acquired and measurements. ]

In the same paper, they say:
"Wessells and McAnnich published guidelines on how to measure a penis. In their opinion, the penis should be measured without the prepubic fat pad, using a ruler. They postulate that an artificial erection is not necessary because of the close approximation of the stretched length to the erect length. The best way in a serial measurement is to use a single observer for measurement (as we did), and self-measurement should not be performed. We believe that the measurement of the penile length should include the prepubic fat pad and the ruler should be pushed to the pubic bone to avoid errors by measuring distances that might overlap to a certain extent. Even if measurement of the stretched penis comes close to the erect length, we believe that measurement after visual, manual,and/or pharmaceutical stimulation (intracavernous injection) provides more reliable results"



In this study (clearly) BPEL they say: 14.48cm +/- 1,99cm == inches ==> 5,70'' +/- 0,78''