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  • This weird anti-ejaculation susperstition: pointless and possibly dangerous

    I've noticed, both here and elsewhere, that a lot of guys seem to think there is something really bad about ejaculation. Some guys for some reason think it's only bad to ejaculate from masturbation, and that from sex it's OK - others go even further and say it's best not to ejaculate even when having sex.

    I am mystified by this. Totally baffled. Ejaculating feels GOOD. Sex acts that don't lead to ejaculation typically end up feeling unfinished, don't they? At least, they certainly do if you're alert and horny, it's a bit different if you're just having a gentle snuggle at the end of a long day, or have already had more energetic sex.

    The common argument against this is that ejaculating "uses up energy". Well, yes, this is true - but then, so does sex whether it leads to ejaculation or not. Walking uses up energy, as does playing sports, working out, thinking and breathing. Your body is converting chemical energy into heat 24/7. If it stopped, you'd die. This is fine, because we replenish our energy levels every day, by eating food. Implying that someone will end up enfeebled from "using up energy" is like implying someone will end up penniless from spending money - it's not a problem as long as you're consuming energy/earning money at the same rate you use it up.

    Not ejaculation isn't just extremely frustrating, it's also bad for you - men who only ejaculate a few times a month are at a 50% higher risk of prostate cancer compared to men who ejaculate most days.

    To me the whole thing just harks back to the bad old days of medical pseudoscience, with textbook drawings of the 'chronic masturbator', deranged, enfeebled, possibly blinded by their ungodly, unnatural habits...

    And before anyone decides to lecture my ignorant Western ass about the amazing insights of traditional Chinese medicine, I'd like to point out that a traditional Chinese contraption method requires the woman to swallow a precise number of live tadpoles. (And no, it doesn't work - unless by making her feel too queasy to have sex in the first place, I guess). My point is that a belief is not necessarily true just because it's very ancient - in fact the more ancient the belief, the less likely it is to be true.
    Ivor
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    Last edited by Ivor; 11-24-2012, 08:38 PM.

  • #2
    I mean, do what you like, if you feel you're getting some personal benefit from not ejaculating then all power to you. It's probably placebo, but whatever. I'm going to carry on ejaculating regularly as I have done since the age of 12 or so, and I've somehow managed not to fall into a permanent vegetative state yet.

    (Ironically, I am actually 'fasting' at the moment - last time I came was five days ago - but that's because I'm seeing my girlfriend tomorrow for the first time in two weeks, and we both like it when I've 'saved up' a bit...)

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    • #3
      Ok, I am one of the guys who has conserved his semen through the last few years. The reason I started doing it was for two things.
      One: to keep my horniness. I believe my sex drive is average. This can be a problem if you have a high sex drive partner. I learned that if I didn't ejaculate, then I had no refractory period. If i felt tired I would rest during a sex session but once I caught my breath, well then I could get an erection pretty easily again. This could go on all day if needed, but if I ejaculated when I was getting tired, then sex marathons would be less frequent. sometimes I was having sex marathons every day for several days without ejaculating. Also i noticed that my erections were more fierce from not ejaculating because I had to ride the ponr more. I just felt a lot more sexual with all this semen stored inside.
      Two: I noticed that when I ejaculated frequently I had allergy problems. Allergy problems for me was like getting hayfever. Sneezing and feeling crap. It was like my body was not working properly. I was healthy and ate and exercised well but I still was prone to these allergies that could happen anytime of the year.
      Now I have HF, pelvic floor, prostate issues (I am guessing), so I find that my studly days are not so frequent even when I don't ejaculate. i am wondering is it possible I have HF and EQ issues(My erections don't last as long as they used to) because of my years of holding my ejaculation back. Big Al said to me it was a waste of time not ejaculating as the semen would just go back into my bladder, meaning I would miss out on the enjoyment of orgasm and still waste my sperm. This is false because my cum is massive when I hold back a few days.
      Ivor, I would like to try ejaculating again every session and see if my body adapts but I'm not a 3 times a day kinda guy. My fiancee likes sex so I want to be ready and able.I found that keeping my semen stores topped up was helping me do this. One more thing, I'm not bragging but I really do feel that I produce a lot of semen even if I cum two days in a row. I'm imagine that it will take me longer to reproduce semen than a guy who has a smaller ejaculation. I'm guessing on that though. So what do you think, Ivor? Should I go back to ejaculating every sex session? I'm open to it.
      Start : BPEL 6.4" x MEG 4.75"
      Latest : BPEL 7.0" x MEG 5.00"

      Short Term Goal : BPEL 7.5" x MEG 5.25"
      Long Term Goal : BPEL 8" x MEG 6"

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      • #4
        It could be related to Evola's racial preservationist mythology - that an "aristocrat" should only ejaculate into worthy wombs (IE healthy racially fit).

        We all know being a "quick shooter" in the bedroom is terrible, and porn features 8-12 inch cocks suffocating all potential air inside women's innards. So it's only reasonable to conclude that ejaculating frequently results in bad sex, lack of access to sex, or some other terrible thing.

        Arguably more important, however, is the fact that the "release" of ejaculation makes one less "ancy" and less dangerous. The more dangerous one becomes the more sexually attractive one becomes. The more you want a release the more you work for it. Same thing holds true for dieting, the less you eat the more you want too.

        If something "feels" good it doesn't necessarily make it "good." As with anything, there are risks, but not ejaculating or not looking at porn probably enhances your person enough to reduce feelings of satiation.

        To flip it around on you: Ejaculating frequently destroys your sex drive. If you have a high sex drive you're more likely to pursue ends to meet the needs of sex.

        The best thing to do (from a selfish, evolutionary perspective) would be to ejaculate as much as possible into as many women as you can. I would argue that the sex positive "it's okay to masturbate if you're a boy" stems from largely unacknowledged goal of feminism which is to rid "unfit" males from procreating. If boys masturbate they'll begin to feel inadequate and won't bother having sex with women.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Samurai View Post
          Ok, I am one of the guys who has conserved his semen through the last few years. The reason I started doing it was for two things.
          One: to keep my horniness.
          You see, this doesn't make sense to me. It sounds like "I avoid eating in order to maintain a good appetite". Well what's the point of keeping yourself intentionally hungry if you never get to satisfy that hunger by eating? Likewise, what's the point in being horny all the time if you never get to consummate that horniness by having an orgasm? Obviously there's far more to sex than just the orgasm, but it is generally the high point of the experience, isn't it? It's not called a 'climax' for nothing.

          I appreciate that you like to last a long time for your wife's sake, but there are two points here. One, it's possible to last a long time and still ejaculate eventually. It's not like there are only two options; being a two-pump wonder or never ejaculating at all. The other is that the purpose of sex isn't solely for the man to give pleasure to the woman. It should me mutual. I mean, doesn't your wife find it weird that you never ejaculate? You like it when she has an orgasm, don't you? So why should she have all the fun? In my experience women like making guys come, it makes them feel sexy and wanted, and they like the sensation of their partner shooting inside them or on their skin. It's a natural and healthy part of sex, to say nothing of being extremely enjoyable, so why suppress it?

          (On the point about marathon sessions: I can ejaculate and then get hard again within a few minutes, at least the first time per session, in fact sometimes I stay hard for a bit after ejaculating and give my girlfriend another orgasm before I start to go soft. But I guess I'm just lucky that way.)

          Also you say something about not wanting to "wast sperm". Well what good do you imagine it's doing you, all stored up inside your body? Your body makes it in order to expel it, it's not like blood where it's meant to stay inside you. And you make it all the time, it's not like you have a finite supply. You'd probably find that if you ejaculated more often, your body would adjust by producing more of it and your recharge time would be lower.

          Finally, you don't have to be a "3 times a day kinda guy"! I mean, I love to ejaculate several times a day when circumstances allow, but I'm probably going to have to slow down at some point (though I plan on putting that day off as long as possible ). Why not try being a once-a-day kinda guy, or even an every-other-day kinda guy?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Trotsky slaying thedragon View Post
            It could be related to Evola's racial preservationist mythology - that an "aristocrat" should only ejaculate into worthy wombs (IE healthy racially fit).
            Nonsense, back in the day the lord of the manner would stick his dick wherever he damn well pleased, including the pig-keeper's daughter if he thought she was hot. Aristocratic men often had far more bastards than they did legitimate offspring. There are loads of families in Britain and Ireland called "Fitz-[something]'', which means "bastard son of". I have no idea where 'race' comes into it.
            Ivor
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            Last edited by Ivor; 11-24-2012, 08:40 PM.

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            • #7
              For me i find if i do not ejaculate regularly(2-3 times a week) then my sex drive crashes and i have less energy and just feel more grumpy,but when i ejaculate regularly i feel so much more energised and things that might bother me i just brush them off as no big deal.My sex drive is quite high and i am usually hornier than a herd of bulls so i need a release one way or another.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Trotsky slaying thedragon View Post
                We all know being a "quick shooter" in the bedroom is terrible, and porn features 8-12 inch cocks suffocating all potential air inside women's innards. So it's only reasonable to conclude that ejaculating frequently results in bad sex, lack of access to sex, or some other terrible thing.
                Huh? "Access to sex"? What are you on about? And what does this have to do with porn? Hardcore porn generally ends with a cum shot, doesn't it?

                Originally posted by Trotsky slaying thedragon View Post
                To flip it around on you: Ejaculating frequently destroys your sex drive. If you have a high sex drive you're more likely to pursue ends to meet the needs of sex.
                Absolute crap. I ejaculate frequently and I have a fucking awesome sex drive. The more I get, the more I need.

                Originally posted by Trotsky slaying thedragon View Post
                The best thing to do (from a selfish, evolutionary perspective) would be to ejaculate as much as possible into as many women as you can. I would argue that the sex positive "it's okay to masturbate if you're a boy" stems from largely unacknowledged goal of feminism which is to rid "unfit" males from procreating. If boys masturbate they'll begin to feel inadequate and won't bother having sex with women.
                Oh god, it's those evil neo-Darwinist feminazis again, isn't it? Seriously, change the record pal.

                And if every boy who's ever masturbated didn't feel the need to have sex with women, nobody would ever have (hetero) sex at all and the human race would die out in a single lifetime. You really haven't though this through, have you?
                Ivor
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                Last edited by Ivor; 11-24-2012, 08:42 PM.

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                • #9
                  It`s natural healthy Don`t people have sex ed or health class anymore?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mrmark View Post
                    For me i find if i do not ejaculate regularly(2-3 times a week) then my sex drive crashes and i have less energy and just feel more grumpy,but when i ejaculate regularly i feel so much more energised and things that might bother me i just brush them off as no big deal.My sex drive is quite high and i am usually hornier than a herd of bulls so i need a release one way or another.
                    Exactly. I think it's a case of "use it lose it". It's like exercising - no-one would say that working out leads to "lower energy levels", would they? You might feel tired after a workout, but in the long run you'll be fitter and will have more energy, not less.

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                    • #11
                      Actually Ivor, I disagree with your food analogy. There are plenty of times when I am going out to dinner or meeting somebody for a bite to eat, and I will deliberately not eat for a good while before that meal so that I'm hungry. I think jacking off and sexual appetite is very similar - for me at least it is definitely true, can't speak for everybody though.

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                      • #12
                        I never refrain from gooooing during sex. To me the point of sex is for two people to goo and orgasm.
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                        • #13
                          For me its totally differenet, after i ejaculate, i feel really really tired, but not like the tiredness after a work out, after work out i feel good, tired but still with energy, and after maybe 30 mins or an hour of an work out, i want to work out again, even more energy than before. But if i ejaculate, i feel dead.. falling asleep for the next 12 hours maybe a day, it takes about 2 days or even 3 to fully recover, thats why i am going to with-strain from it as long as i can.
                          The feeling isnt just tired, but just not good, its hard to explain, But i guess everyone is different. I tried before to with straing for 3-4 weeks, and it was great, i can sleep for 5 hours a day and filled with energy, and work out 2 hours everyday and i wont feel tired. If i masturbate then i cant really focus or work hard for the rest of the day.....

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                          • #14
                            I tried this for myself, so now I don't have to guess.

                            It was an interesting experiment that led to a bit of increased sensitivity and higher drive to ejaculate. It didn't seem to have any benefits for my energy level. Conversely, it eventually ended up distracting me at night time - when I wanted to sleep.

                            As far as semen buildup is concerned, most guys will have a wet dream if they wait long enough without release. The time span for this varies. For me it was about 2 weeks.

                            Anyway, it's nothing like George Costanza on Seinfeld. I'm not convinced. Only if someone really is a porn addict or chronic masturbator, then I might advise cutting back, perhaps drastically, on masturbation.

                            Edit: ^ Even then, there is the possibility of bouncing right back, or worse, if you quit cold turkey. Better just to moderate your habits.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PEskeptic View Post
                              Actually Ivor, I disagree with your food analogy. There are plenty of times when I am going out to dinner or meeting somebody for a bite to eat, and I will deliberately not eat for a good while before that meal so that I'm hungry.
                              You're missing the point though, because you do eat *eventually*, don't you?

                              To continue the analogy, obviously you don't 'snack' (masturbate) before a 'gourmet meal' (sex). But that's a very different proposition from not 'eating' (ejaculating) at all.

                              I'm 'fasting' at the moment, because I'm seeing my girlfriend tomorrow. But when I get to her house, you can bet I'm gonna dine out like a fucking emperor.
                              Ivor
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                              Last edited by Ivor; 10-05-2012, 01:22 PM.

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