Boat people ,resettlement etc

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The first group of boat people who could be sent to Papua New Guinea under the government's tough new asylum seeker policy has been intercepted north of Christmas Island.

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A brief statement from Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare said a boat with 81 passengers and two crew on board was stopped by HMAS Bathurst on Saturday morning, and had been transferred to Christmas Island for health checks.
On Friday Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced a new hardline policy on boat people, saying people who arrive by boat will have no chance of resettlement in Australia, and will instead by sent to PNG.

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Rampaging asylum seekers have left a $60 million damage bill to the Nauru detention centre, with dozens arrested over the riot.

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They torched newly constructed accommodation blocks, the health centre, offices, the dining room and vehicles.
Only the kitchen and recreation facility remain standing and usable.
"It is quite extensive damage," a spokeswoman for the Immigration Department told AAP.
No staff were injured in the unrest on Friday but a number of residents were treated in hospital for minor injuries and some for pre-existing conditions.
The spokeswoman said the damage bill was estimated at $60 million.
She said their latest information was that 125 of those allegedly involved in this destruction were now in jail, with some 58 charged by Nauru police.
With accommodation for more than 600 trashed, residents will be housed in tents erected on the site planned for a new detention facility.
"We will have temporary ablution blocks installed and temporary water supplies put in place and meals will be prepared at the original kitchen," she said.
Unrest at the Nauru detention facility started earlier last week with peaceful protests at the delay in processing of asylum claims.
The situation escalated on Friday afternoon with some 150 of the 545 male detainees setting fire to buildings.
Immigration Minister Tony Burke said he was waiting for reports on the full extent of damage.
He warned those involved that he had extensive powers to refuse or cancel visas on character grounds.
Foreign Minister Bob Carr said advice to him indicated the rioting was unrelated to Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's announcement of the new PNG solution on Friday afternoon.
He said those detained by Nauru police should understand that they hadn't impressed anyone in Australia.
Senator Carr admitted Australia would have no choice but to rebuild.
"As a destination country we have got to stump up the money for the accommodation and processing of people who arrive without visas," he told Sky News.
The opposition blamed Labor.
Opposition leader Tony Abbott said riots were a problem when you couldn't stop the boats.
"As long as you have got illegal arrivals by boat, as long as you have got people in immigration detention, you are at risk of riots," he told reporters in Melbourne.
Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said this wasn't the first detention centre to burn down under Labor.
"If you need any demonstration of Labor's ability to implement offshore processing ... then look at the fires on Nauru," he told reporters in Melbourne.

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An unknown number is still missing with Indonesian search and rescue operations continuing.
An officer with Indonesia's rescue agency BASARNAS told AAP the incident happened around 11pm on Tuesday local time (2am on Wednesday AEST).
The BASARNAS officer says, according to a report from Cianjur police, 160 people have been pulled from the water.
"Three of them died and the other 157 survived," the officer told AAP. "But we're still gathering data on them."
At least one of the dead is a child.
Officials are not sure how many were on the boat but another search and rescue official told AFP the number of passengers could be as high as 200.
The boat sank in heavy seas off the Indonesian fishing town of Cidaun in western Java.
Rescuers set out from the town in their own boats and vessels lent by police and fishermen.
It is believed many of the asylum seekers involved were from Iran and Sri Lanka.
The Australian Maritime and Safety Authority told AAP it had offered to help Indonesian authorities with the rescue operation if needed.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the government is monitoring the unfolding tragedy.
"All of our agencies are actively following this and ensuring that everything that can be done is being done," Mr Rudd told reporters in Melbourne on Wednesday.
He said it underlined the need for a tough asylum seeker policy.
"We are seeing too many drownings, we are seeing too many sinkings, too many innocent people being lost at sea."
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said the only way to end tragedies like this was to stop the boats from coming.
"This is a tragic reminder of what happens when policy change in Australia puts the people smugglers back in business," he told reporters on the Gold Coast.
"I'm not crass enough to directly blame anyone in this country for tragedies at sea.
"But Mr Rudd should be man enough to admit that it was a terrible tragic mistake that his government made back in 2008 when they reversed the policies that worked."
Immigration Minister Tony Burke said on Wednesday he would consider the government's tough new asylum seeker policy a success when the drownings stopped.

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Indonesian authorities hold grave fears for up to 70 asylum seekers still missing, feared drowned, after their boat sank en route to Australia.

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At least 22 people, mostly children, drowned when the boat, which was carrying about 120 passengers, sank in rough seas on Friday off the coast of Java.
One of the passengers, a Lebanese man, had reportedly lost his pregnant wife and eight children in the disaster.
Just 25 of those aboard had been rescued before efforts to locate survivors were postponed on Friday evening due to failing light.
The search was expected to resume on Saturday.
It's believed to be the first fatal attempted asylum-seeker crossing under the Abbott government, and comes after another group of 44 asylum seekers were rescued by an Australian navy vessel in the Sunda Strait on Thursday.
The boat that sank on Friday had departed from the fishing village of Pelabuhan Ratu, in the Sukabumi regency, on the south coast of western Java.
It first got into trouble about 10 hours into its journey and efforts were made to return to Indonesia before it sank.
A police official from the district of Cianjur in Java said authorities were alerted to the incident after bodies were discovered floating in an estuary on Friday morning.
"We have now found 22 dead bodies, most of them are children as they cannot swim," the official said, according to news agency AFP.
He said the boat had broken into several pieces.
A spokesman for the Indonesian search and rescue agency, BASARNAS, said his office was not advised of an incident involving an asylum seeker boat until 3pm local time on Friday.
He said the Australian Maritime and Safety Authority had contacted BASARNAS about the boat.
The latest tragedy in waters between Indonesia and Australia comes amid a ramping up in tensions between Canberra and Jakarta over the asylum seeker issue, and days ahead of talks in Jakarta between Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.
Mr Abbott and President Yudhoyno will meet on Monday, with asylum seeker policy expected to be at the top of the agenda.

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Horrible thing is even if they get here they will be sent to Naru (think improvished desert island nation) or New Guinea (third world tropical hell hole).
They were paying $10,000 each to people smugglers who made up all sorts of stories .

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https://www.pegym.com/forums/gym/575...you-drown.html

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Okay so what would you do with them?

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Hey I don't claim to have answers.
These people smugglers are based in Indonesia, one would think more could be done by Indonesia if the will was there.

Why the illegals believe stories from pro criminals is another question.

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It would be a great topic for discussion. Anyone?

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ok, which topic ?

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Illegal immigration to any country; what could/should be done? Can't just let them drown or shoot them can we?

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Developed nations take refugees, the idea the people smugglers are selling, is that if you turn up in a developed country you can jump the que .
The Australian solution to this is to effectively pay 3 rd world countries to take them or else they can choose to go back where they came from (they often do).

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The latest thing is the U.N. says the accomodation on Naru is sub standard . As stated in post 2 this thread, the detained burnt down their accommodation.

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The Indonesians have stoped "cooperating" with Australia on a range of things includeing boat people . This was over Snowden spy revelations. It hasn't made any difference to the number of boat people arriving but it has reduced their safety as we can't enter Indonesian waters to save them.
On the positive the Indonesians are taking fewer live cattle . I have long been against the live cattle trade.

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The number of arrivals is well down . Lack of co operation by Indonesia seems to be not much of an issue . There is the argument it wasn;t there to start with.
Latest thing from the naughty Aussie navy ,if they come across a boat which is sunk by it's occupants ( a standard tatic) they put them in a life boat and point them back to indonesia. Tow back to Indonesian waters another naughty thing, tsk tsk.
Of course they could ask for asylum in Indonesia which is a Muslim coutry like most of the boat people, but funny enough they want to go to aussie which is largly christian. Never mind if they do make it to aussie they will be sent to the animast /christian nation of New Guinea, the talk of head hunting and canibalism is way exaggerated . Umm the odd but of lawless though.