Islamic Terrorist attack in Florida (Obama goes against the victims)

[Jackxxx]

No matter how you look to this ridiculous gun control agenda, there is no logic in it. Again, it might work for other countries, countries that are in my honest opinion dysfunctional, but it doesn't work for us. Aint happening. I said it already. Nobody will ever tell me what the fuck I can or cannot buy for self defense. If you want, ban all assault weapons equally all over the world before you think about restricting ME from guns. Is just fair enough for everybody. But that of course would be a utopia too.

[Jackxxx]

This is of particular interest given it border with a high gunowning country.

And a review of 2015’s year-to-date total for firearms-related deaths in the U.S. shows that as of Dec. 3, the Gun Violence Archive (GVA) has already recorded 12,236 deaths and a further 24,755 injuries from shootings. This casualty toll includes 640 children aged 0-11 killed or injured by guns.
Not all these deaths were straight-up homicides. The GVA recorded 1,749 accidental shootings, 1,131 cases of ‘defensive use’, 4,028 incidents involving police, and 2,081 home invasions.
309 deaths were a result of mass shootings.
Canadian comparison

According to a StatsCan report from 2012 – the most recent year available – the U.S. suffered a total of 8,813 murders involving the use of firearms that year. Canada, in the same year, recorded just 172 firearms-related homicides.
“When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population), although it is higher than several other peer countries. While Canada’s firearm-related homicide rate is similar to those in Ireland and Switzerland, it is significantly higher than the rates in Japan (0.01 per 100,000 population) and the United Kingdom (0.06 per 100,000 population),” states StatsCan’s findings, which do not include Quebec figures.
Presently, Canadian law classifies firearms into three categories: prohibited, restricted, and non-restricted. Prohibited firearms include military-grade assault weapons such as AK-47s and sawn-off rifles or shotguns. Handguns are generally classified as restricted weapons, while rifles and shotguns are usually non-restricted. The AR-15 rifles used by the San Bernardino suspects is classified as restricted.

So? This article is useless. Is junk. Of course in Canada gun related death will be less because some guns are prohibited and others restricted. But the little secret they don't tell you, is that crimes happen anyways. They don take into consideration the deaths occurred by other means. So are you telling me that just because of the fact that you prohibit a gun, that criminal will stay home watching tv? This is not disney world. This is real world. That criminal will kill with a sword or with fire or with anything else. Again, GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE. Is that so hard to understand?? PEOPLE kill people. And no matter what you do, the person who wants to kill, WILL KILL one way or another. The argument that guns can kill more and faster is not valid. There are countless ways to build IED's from over the counter materials, there are countless ways to burn a whole place down in no time.

The ONLY solution for gun violence, is to have more citizens armed and carrying.

[Pegasus]

So? This article is useless. Is junk. Of course in Canada gun related death will be less because some guns are prohibited and others restricted. But the little secret they don't tell you, is that crimes happen anyways. They don take into consideration the deaths occurred by other means. So are you telling me that just because of the fact that you prohibit a gun, that criminal will stay home watching tv? This is not disney world. This is real world. That criminal will kill with a sword or with fire or with anything else. Again, GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE. Is that so hard to understand?? PEOPLE kill people. And no matter what you do, the person who wants to kill, WILL KILL one way or another. The argument that guns can kill more and faster is not valid. There are countless ways to build IED's from over the counter materials, there are countless ways to burn a whole place down in no time.

The ONLY solution for gun violence, is to have more citizens armed and carrying.

Uh huh guns are just so much more efficient than knives .
When I get a chance I will look up total homicide in US vs Canada.
Also accidental gun deaths US vs Canada , I can look up accidental knife deaths too if you like; to see if the accidental knife death rate makes up for the gun rate Canada vs US.

[Pegasus]

By the way terrorists have had little success with ied's in aussie ,as stated in a previous post many have been arrested with explosives. Don't know the ied death rate in other countries the UK used to have some .

[Cavalier]

The interesting point you missed was that "surpassed" is the wrong word. Both causes of death have been declining for decades. Just that cars have declined faster recently. The data came from the CDC's Dec 2015 mortality data as reported by the Washington post. Which works out to about 30k per year. Where are you getting your data?


One theory on crime is that people with jobs (that pay enough for housing/health-care/etc.) commit less crime and use fewer drugs. So finding ways to boost employment, education, and health-care should also reduce crime and gun violence. I bet we find out that the Orlando shooter was suffering financially or socially.

This thread and the title of the link you provided is about gun violence in the US. So according to the CDC deaths by gun violence(homicide) is 3.5/100000 11208 FastStats - Homicide. Deaths by motorvehicle acidence is 10.7/100000 or 33804. FastStats - Accidents or Unintentional Injuries Now if you want add in suicidal deaths by firearms that's a different story and debate.

[Pegasus]

This thread and the title of the link you provided is about gun violence in the US. So according to the CDC deaths by gun violence(homicide) is 3.5/100000 11208 FastStats - Homicide. Deaths by motorvehicle acidence is 10.7/100000 or 33804. FastStats - Accidents or Unintentional Injuries Now if you want add in suicidal deaths by firearms that's a different story and debate.

Umm actually accidental deaths by gun is a big one .

[Pegasus]

Gun Control Issues, Public Health, and Safety

Gunshot wounds impact severely on the criminal justice as well as health care systems. Some basic statistics are important in understanding the magnitude and severity of the social and economic burden to the U.S. The subject remains contentious. (Glantz and Annas, 2009)
In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (Sherry et al, 2012).
The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The U.S. national average was 10.2 deaths per 100,000 population in 2009. The highest rate was 28.4/100,000 for African-American males, more than quadruple the rate of 6.3/100,000 for white males. (CDC, 2009)
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)
A study of firearm deaths in high income countries (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and the United States) was conducted with data from the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO from the official national statistics of each individual country from 2003 (Richardson and Hemenway, 2011). The total population for the United States for 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined population for the other 22 countries was 563.5 million. There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries. Of all the firearm deaths in these 23 high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the US. In the US the overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest persons 15 to 24 years of age. For the US the overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000, and slightly over half of these deaths were firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000). Firearm suicides rates increased with age. In the other high income countries 2003 the overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per 100,000. Firearm homicide rates were highest in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group. The overal suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000 with a overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000.

[Pegasus]

Hmm looking at the stats from my post 198 I find something interesting.

The firearm homicide rate in the US exceeds the TOTAL homicide rate in the combined other countries . So the view that another just as effective form of homicide can be easily found is suspect . In fact one could launch the argument that the availability of guns creates a culture of violence and increases TOTAL homicide rates from .9 to 6 with 4.1 coming directly from firearms .

Lets say that again. TOTAL that is all forms combined guns ,knives ,bombs , poison whatever in other high income countries .9 per 100,000 , firearm homicide alone 4.1 per 100,000 in the US.

On the other hand in regard to suicide other means are indeed found.

[Pegasus]

Umm actually accidental deaths by gun is a big one .

Hmm not as big as I thought .

[Jackxxx]

Accidental gun death is self accountability. You're not going to create laws that restrict me for other peoples stupidity. It will be impossible for y'all foreigners to understand that we are made from a different fabric here. Y'all follow what an omnipotent ruler says, we don't. Here in the USA, understand that a president doesn't tell us what to do. Its the opposite, we tell the president what to do. Understand that the armed forces in this country is all of us. The police is us. Despite the crap you see own tv about police brutality and all that shit, that is sensationalism created by the socialist media. In reality, we the law abiding citizens who are the vast majority of the nation, are behind the police. They are our families. We are them. We have the guns. We make the guns. The government use the guns created by us to organize armed forces who are us. So how is it gonna be that the government, that employee we hired, tell us how to use the guns we are creating for them to use?? It doesn't make any sense.

Again, this only applies to the reality of America. We are not a democracy. We are a representative republic based on liberty and freedom.

"THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STOP A BAD GUY WITH A GUN, IS A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN."
- Sheriff Joe Arpaio.