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    Orlando gunman tied to radical imam released from prison last year, say law enforcement sources | Fox News
    The gunman who murdered at least 50 people in a Florida nightclub early Sunday morning was a follower of a controversial gang leader-turned-bank robber who was released from prison last year despite warnings from prosecutors that he would recruit people to carry out violent acts, sources told FoxNews.com.
    Omar Mateen, whose bloody siege inside a packed Orlando gay nightclub ended when SWAT teams stormed the building and killed him, was a radical Muslim who followed Marcus Dwayne Robertson, a law enforcement source said.
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    Marcus Dwayne Robertson, a former U.S. Marine known to his supporters at his Orlando-based Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary as “Abu Taubah.”


    “It is no coincidence that this happened in Orlando,” said a law enforcement source familiar with Robertson’s history of recruiting terrorists and inciting violence. “Mateen was enrolled in [Robertson’s online] Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary.”
    Robertson and several associates were rounded up for questioning early Sunday, according to law enforcement sources, a development his attorney refused to confirm or deny.
    “No comment,” Corey Cohen said in an email reply when asked if his longtime client was in custody. Police also did not confirm or deny picking up Robertson.
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    This undated image provided by the Orlando Police Department shows Omar Mateen, the shooting suspect at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla., Sunday, June 12, 2016. The gunman opened fire inside the crowded gay nightclub early Sunday before dying in a gunfight with SWAT officers, police said. (Orlando Police Department via AP) (The Associated Press)


    Robertson's school may not have been the only source of Mateen's spiritual guidance. The gunman was at the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce with Imam Shafiq Rahman two days before the nightclub attack, according to The Washington Post. That mosque was frequented by American-born suicide bomber Monar abu Salha, who blew himself up in Syria in 2014, and the two knew each other, according to officials. Mateen's association with Salha led the FBI to interview him in 2014. Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee Mike McCaul told Fox News law enforcement determined at the time their contact “was minimal.”
    FoxNews.com has reported extensively on Robertson, a former U.S. Marine who served as a bodyguard to the Blind Sheik involved in the 1993 World Trade Center Attack and led a gang of New York bank robbers called “Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves” before resurfacing in Orlando, where he started an Islamic seminary.
    The school, recently renamed the Timbuktu Seminary, is operated by Robertson, a 47-year-old firebrand known to his thousands of followers as Abu Taubah.
    Robertson, who recently spent four years in prison in Florida on illegal weapons and tax fraud charges before being released by a Florida judge one year ago, has openly and enthusiastically preached against homosexuality. The targets of Mateen’s bloody rampage were members of the gay community of Orlando, an hour’s drive from the 29-year-old’s home in Fort Pierce.
    Prosecutors said wiretaps from 2011 proved Robertson instructed one of his students, Jonathan Paul Jimenez, to file false tax returns to obtain a tax refund to pay for travel to Mauritania for terror training.
    Jimenez studied with Robertson for a year in preparation for his travel to Mauritania, where he would study and further his training in killing, suicide bombing, and identifying and murdering U.S. military personnel. He pleaded guilty in 2012 to lying to authorities and conspiring to defraud the IRS and was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison.
    Robertson was arrested on a firearms charge in 2011 and pleaded guilty in January 2012. On March 14, 2012, federal authorities charged him with conspiring to defraud the IRS, which he was convicted of in December 2013.
    While in the John E. Polk Correctional Facility in Seminole County, Robertson was considered so dangerous, he was kept in shackles and assigned his own guards. Whenever he was transported to court, a seven-car caravan of armed federal marshals escorted him. He was initially moved into solitary confinement after prison authorities believed he was radicalizing up to 36 of his fellow prisoners.
    In seeking enhanced terrorism charges during sentencing for the two crimes, prosecutors said Robertson has been involved with terrorism activities, “…focused on training others to commit violent acts as opposed to committing them himself” … “overseas instead of inside the United States.”
    Yet efforts by federal prosecutors to tack on another 10 years to his sentence, based on enhanced terrorism charges under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, were not persuasive enough for U.S. District Judge Gregory Presnell, who freed Robertson in June 2015 with time served.
    Robertson had denied being involved with terrorist activities, in court and in postings on social media and in statements from his attorney to Fox News.
    Federal law enforcement has been familiar with Robertson since 1991.
    As a former U.S. Marine who became the leader known as "Ali Baba” of a notorious New York gang “Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves”, Robertson and his crew robbed more than 10 banks, private homes and post offices at gunpoint, shot three police officers, and attacked one cop after he was injured by a homemade pipe bomb.
    During the same period, federal authorities claimed Robertson served as a bodyguard to Omar Abdel Rahman, nicknamed the “Blind Sheik,” who led the terrorist group that carried out the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and donated more than $300,000 in stolen funds to mosques he attended, both claims Robertson denied. Robertson has adamantly denied the claims.
    After he was arrested in 1991 along with most of the other members of the gang, prosecutors cut a deal with Robertson, and let him serve four years in prison before going to work undercover for the FBI between 2004 and 2007 to document terrorists’ plans and networks in Africa, Egypt and the United States.
    Many of the court’s filings, including Robertson’s own testimony from his most recent criminal case, remain under federal seal, which means only prosecutors, the judge and the defense can review the records.
    Cohen told FoxNews.com in a statement that his client “never taught or condoned violence in any way.”
    “In fact for his federal case the judge did not find terrorist acts, which led to his sentence of time served,” Cohen said.

  • #2
    SAD! The only ones we have to blame is our government.. we need to get rid of all illegal's..

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    • #3
      ...and illegal firearms!

      May God bless their souls.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rippem View Post
        SAD! The only ones we have to blame is our government.. we need to get rid of all illegal's..
        Illegal what? Omar Mateen was born and raised in New York, parents of Afghan Sunni Islamic decent. The last killer in California was also American born, of Pakistani Sunni Islamic decent, who went on a killing spree with his beloved Saudi woman after returning from Saudi Arabia- the country which is responsible for spreading the Wahabi-Salafi beliefs and funding it in America and hundreds of other countries. So called US ally Saudi Arabia is responsible for spewing this barbaric belief and indoctrinating terrorists around the world- including the 15/19 9/11 hijackers.

        USA needs to curtail Saudi financing of Islam and shut down Saudi-Wahabi-Salafi linked mosques.

        Altering immigration from Sunni Islamic countries would also be incredibly beneficial.
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        • #5
          For all we know this could be some guy that had a vendetta against gays and so called IS took up on it declaring it was their doing.

          We all need to keep a clear head.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tamora View Post
            For all we know this could be some guy that had a vendetta against gays and so called IS took up on it declaring it was their doing.

            We all need to keep a clear head.
            Actually it is confirmed islamic terror. Obama is the only one who will deny it because he is the number one enemy of the people. But the guy indeed called 911 before killing people and pledge his allegiance to the head of the islamic state.

            All this only strengthen the position of Trump. He's been right from day number one. This is not about guns, this is about terrorists. And more specifically islamic terrorists. Not all mass shooting have been religion related, but this is one of them. We need to destroy all these roaches in the middle east spreading this cancer around.

            And as far as immigration, in this case this guy was American. HOWEVER, hussein obama insist in this refugee program that it can VERY easily bring the same type of creature into the country without even knowing it. We MUST halt that program, that I think it was thanks to the initiative from Trump.

            Today Obama instead of taking sides with the American people, he protected the terrorists by not calling him islamic terrorists, and he pushed his gun control agenda. What makes this retard think that passing a law will erase assault weapons??? He has to be the most stupid piece of shit we have ever had in politics. So because heroin is illegal, it means nobody use heroin?? What a stupid retard. Gun control will NEVER happen. NEVER. And if one of these corrupt crooks ever pushed that agenda against our will, I promise I will buy 5 assault weapons and keep them at home just because is my right. And I am sure before a law like that passes all gun stores would be completely cleared arming Americans to the teeth.

            This was terrorism. This is not about gays, lesbians, or whatever. This is about the people of America. The way to end this game is getting rid of the source of the problem. We must turn those countries into desolated desserts and take all their oil tis the last drop. Starve them until they disappear just like a pest of ants or roaches.

            And build the wall of course.

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            • #7
              I'll probably regret asking, but why exactly do you believe that this is Obama's fault?

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              • #8
                I know the question is not directed to me, but I do believe hussein obama is in great part responsible for this. Why? Because he hasn't done absolutely ANYTHING against terror. He forced an end to the Iraq situation, which I agree it was a wrong stupid war, but since we were already there we needed to finish the job to prevent exactly this. All this problems come from the instability created in the middle east. We can blame Bush and everything, but hussein has been in office for 8 years and absolutely everything he has done has been wrong. There is absolutely NOTHING that we can remember in history as a positive legacy from him. Absolutely nothing. He is not a leader. He is not a commander in chief. He is a pussy apologizing around the world for stupidity. If we had a strong leader these past 8 years, I am sure we wouldn't have all this islamic hate spreading through social media and everything. Thats the main tool of recruitment for these people. But that tool is being used because these bad guys are alive somewhere to begin with. Infiltrating electronically every country in the world.

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                • #9
                  The government does not define something as Islamic terrorism or Christian terrorism, its plain terrorism. Do we call the KKK Christian terrorists? When you start defining something, you begin to relate the two. Islam is not terrorism, but terrorists are using Islam to justify their actions. Just like the KKK and the Crusaders, and the Spanish Inquisition used Christianity to justify their actions. But Christianity has nothing to do with terrorism.

                  I ln5ow its a PC thing. I'm a Liberal but not PC. I personally don't care what you call it, but there is justification for why the government does not call it Islamic Terrorism.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jackxxx View Post
                    Actually it is confirmed islamic terror. Obama is the only one who will deny it because he is the number one enemy of the people. But the guy indeed called 911 before killing people and pledge his allegiance to the head of the islamic state.
                    Yes because anything a crazy person with a gun says is true...I guess if he also said he was an alien from Mars, we would finally know we are not alone in the universe?

                    Again not saying this wasn't ISIS, but there is no way to be 100% certain. Also of course ISIS would love to claim responsibility...why wouldn't they want the biggest mass shooting in the US on their list of accomplishments? It's sick...but it still fits with their agenda.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by feelsgood View Post
                      I'll probably regret asking, but why exactly do you believe that this is Obama's fault?
                      Because Jackxxx wants Trump to win, and for us to nuke 'em all...probably.

                      If somehow Trump does win...it will make all the Rob Ford in Toronto jokes pale in comparison.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dmizzle View Post
                        The government does not define something as Islamic terrorism or Christian terrorism, its plain terrorism. Do we call the KKK Christian terrorists? When you start defining something, you begin to relate the two. Islam is not terrorism, but terrorists are using Islam to justify their actions. Just like the KKK and the Crusaders, and the Spanish Inquisition used Christianity to justify their actions. But Christianity has nothing to do with terrorism.

                        I ln5ow its a PC thing. I'm a Liberal but not PC. I personally don't care what you call it, but there is justification for why the government does not call it Islamic Terrorism.

                        In this day and age the different types of terrorism must be identified in order to know who are we fighting with. Obama doesn't identify it because to be honest he has no idea about anything he's doing. The poor chose was a community organizer. He was never qualified at all to be a president, not even a senator.

                        We have domestic terrorism, we have islamic terrorism, and if we had a christian extremist group in Africa planning attacks around the world, I am sure we would identify it as christian terrorism. Call it like it is. Its a matter of being honest and transparent.

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                        • #13
                          Also...while I'm not saying the government needs to stop Americans from owning guns...but seriously something needs to be done with who is allowed to have one. There really needs to be a system in place to screen things better, as it is still shocking this guy was able to get his license, while on a watch list, and buy an AR-15 and handgun only weeks prior to the massacre.

                          Long story short...if you are proven to be of sound mind, with no criminal record, and pass all check then fine own a license and get a gun...but if you do not, there should be no legal way of obtaining one. Sure it wouldn't stop all gun crime...but it would make it harder to commit.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Phoenix7672 View Post
                            Yes because anything a crazy person with a gun says is true...I guess if he also said he was an alien from Mars, we would finally know we are not alone in the universe?

                            Again not saying this wasn't ISIS, but there is no way to be 100% certain. Also of course ISIS would love to claim responsibility...why wouldn't they want the biggest mass shooting in the US on their list of accomplishments? It's sick...but it still fits with their agenda.

                            This is the typical liberal agenda. Do you know what is common sense? So under your logic, a criminal can call the cops and tell them "hey, I am a terrorist, I will go to the mall and kill people right now in the name of allah" If all the police were libs like you, they would say "oh don't worry don't do nothing. We can't prove anything, and he is a muslim so he is a good person" Then the terrorist kills 100 people and blow himself in pieces, and your people is like "oh this is not islamic terror. The guy was a good muslim but that has nothing to do with it. The cause of this problem is guns and mickey mouse"

                            That is how stupid the liberal logic is. Which is not even logic to begin with. Is like a twisted mentality. Evil and dangerous. In fact, once libs have fucked up completely their lives due to the bizarre mentality, then they ask for help to a big entity called government that has to take care of them and tell them what to do because if not they die. Libs fall from a tree trying to pick a fruit, they ban the tree and sue God for creating tress. Thats how stupid it is. It is insanity at its best.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Phoenix7672 View Post
                              Because Jackxxx wants Trump to win, and for us to nuke 'em all...probably.

                              If somehow Trump does win...it will make all the Rob Ford in Toronto jokes pale in comparison.
                              Im interested about what do YOU want. So far no lib argument make sense and they're all randomly different.

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