Strategic BREAKS

[TechGuy]

IWith regards to extender usage, while I do believe extenders/ADS's are probably the most fail-safe methods of PE, I have read about MANY guys over at Thunders who gained jack shit from extender usages of up to 6 months of consistent use. Basically, there is NOTHING that works for EVERYONE.

Hey Gator, I believe you, but I'm surprised. I've been reading posts on thunders since November and have not heard that. If some guys can stretch to over erect length for 6-10 hours a day, 7 days a week and not gain a quarter inch, and others can start gaining by adding a few "JAI stretches," to their routines, well, that makes me want to think about PE theories even less.

Maybe Big Girtha has the right idea…"do everything and never let it turtle."

[Closed039]

Its so hard though....theres no way to REALLY KNOW when to take a break without being a slave to a ruler. Especially if its a problem like gators with the EQ being too high. For me, when i'm getting rock hard erections, I figure I'm doing something right. This all seems counter intuitive.

[DryJelq]

Are you certain that you have a high EQ Gator? Many people overestimate their EQ.

[Gator]

If some guys can stretch to over erect length for 6-10 hours a day, 7 days a week and not gain a quarter inch, and others can start gaining by adding a few "JAI stretches," to their routines, well, that makes me want to think about PE theories even less.

This is the conundrum. Why some people can gain so much with very little effort and why some people can basically do everything possible and gain very little or nothing at all. Now, it's ALWAYS been my theory that those who do gain a lot early on are just experiencing ultra high EQ for the first time. But those that continue to gain at high rates in short time periods - it's these people I don't understand. I think sometimes we take the easy road and say it's genetics. But the more and more I think about that, the less logical I find that argument, but this is an entirely different topic to discuss

Its so hard though....theres no way to REALLY KNOW when to take a break without being a slave to a ruler. Especially if its a problem like gators with the EQ being too high. For me, when i'm getting rock hard erections, I figure I'm doing something right. This all seems counter intuitive.

The only thing you can do is trial and error. And I know it seems counter-intuitive (and I assume you are talking about high EQ being something that holds you back). It does to me too. That's probably why I never even thought about it until very recently. I have a way of explaining it but it's confusing as hell because it's jumbled all in my head (and my mind is fried right now with other psychological related issues). At some point, I'd like to spit out the meat about what I'm talking about here. The only constant I can see is this: FOR ME, a long-lasting high EQ could be a sign that I need to lay off. I don't think this line of thinking is too far from a very popular logic in PE that some people cannot gain unless their EQ is low.

Are you certain that you have a high EQ Gator? Many people overestimate their EQ.

I agree. Many people have no idea what the difference is between a 5 and a 10. And a few months ago, I would have included myself in that grouping. But since then, I have done all that I can to understand ALL of the factors that go in to characterizing my EQ. Everything that I have come up with (and with the help of some gurus at Thunders) - it has all lead me to believe that my EQ is and always has been extremely high, in the 9-10 region. My EQ being high is one of the few things that I would bet my bank account on.

[Gator]

I'll try to work something more intelligent up tomorrow. Right now, my brain feels like moosh
I love the discussion we have going on here though. KEEP IT UP GUYS!

[TechGuy]

This is the conundrum. Why some people can gain so much with very little effort and why some people can basically do everything possible and gain very little or nothing at all. Now, it's ALWAYS been my theory that those who do gain a lot early on are just experiencing ultra high EQ for the first time.

EQ might account for for 1/4 inch in length max, but no way would it account for anything over 1/2 inch. Especially in girth, since most people hit max girth even before being fully erect.

[Closed039]

EQ might account for for 1/4 inch in length max, but no way would it account for anything over 1/2 inch. Especially in girth, since most people hit max girth even before being fully erect.

I think thats why BPFSL is a good indicator. It generally won't vary much, maybe 1/8 of an inch. Right now mine I'd say mine is about 7.125 in. Some days, though, It stretches to 7.25. I don't really consider either measurement to be unusual. If for some reason it dropped below 7' or up to 7.5, then I would realize there was some real growth or some loss.

By the way, Gator. I have completed 6 weeks of JP's beginner routine. I haven't grown the past 3 weeks. In the beginning I was 6.5. This shot up to just over 6.75, call it 6.8, within the first 3 weeks, but has not changed since. SO, I will be taking this week off and then completing the last 6 weeks of the program. I am interested to see if this "strategic" break works.

[RyanV]

I think thats why BPFSL is a good indicator. It generally won't vary much, maybe 1/8 of an inch. Right now mine I'd say mine is about 7.125 in. Some days, though, It stretches to 7.25. I don't really consider either measurement to be unusual. If for some reason it dropped below 7' or up to 7.5, then I would realize there was some real growth or some loss.

By the way, Gator. I have completed 6 weeks of JP's beginner routine. I haven't grown the past 3 weeks. In the beginning I was 6.5. This shot up to just over 6.75, call it 6.8, within the first 3 weeks, but has not changed since. SO, I will be taking this week off and then completing the last 6 weeks of the program. I am interested to see if this "strategic" break works.

I would like to hear your findings Skeptic. Like you I gained much after like 4 weeks, after that my penis became too fatigued. I added more rest days to let it recover. Now I do a 2 days on and 2 days off routine, seems to work because my penis responding again to the workout. The workouts are a bit more intensive and when my penis is fatigued again, I will take one of these breaks.

[NP97]

Gator, tell me what you think of this. I may or may not be making it up as I go along...
Most people notice the higher EQ first, then gains follow.
For you, you noticed the higher EQ, then a higher EQ, the no gains.
What happened for me, is once the gains came, my EQ kinda went back down to 7-8 rather than 9-10. Then I would have a week or so with a seemingly smaller dick. This is the time when you hide the ruler. Eventually my EQ went back up, and the gains were only a step behind.
Your body just gets use to pumping a certain amount of blood into your peeper. The gains are actually beging beore the EQ goes up. In fact, EQ going down slightly could possibly mean that the body just is not quite able to fill up that new size. As in, the EQ dips because you have gained, but your body just hasn't been able to put the full amount of blood in it yet.
Now if you never notice these EQ drops then you may be doing something totally right, yet wrong. Maybe you can't read your body well or whatever. But if you notice 0 gains after a long time, it's probably time to give it a break. Think of the break as an extended heal. Then you go back to what you're doing.
For example, when I was lifting for football one spring I was benching around 200lbs. I just couldn't get past that. Well, on spring break I wasn't going to do anything. I come back, and start just a bit under that. 180lbs. Fine and dandy. Well, after two weeks I was able to get to 210, then 220 the next week. My muscles just needed extra time to heal. The break allowed my body to get use to not being stressed by weight lifting, then I was able to suprise it and 'force' it to build more muscle.
Sorry if that makes no sense, I haven't slept in about.... 28 hours. Kinda tired and very out of it. I'll post later when I can be more sensible.

[Gator]

NP - This is what I have gathered through 13 months of reading about this stuff.

40% of people that are successful with PE do a routine, see a spike in EQ, and gains follow. These are generally your "less is more" folks.

40% of people that are successful with PE do a routine, see a spike in EQ, and gains DO NOT follow. THESE people must lower their EQ in order to gain. These are generally your "more is more" folks because they have to overtrain their units in order to spark growth.

What about the other 20%? Everybody else falls into this group. This is MY group. These are your no-gainers / complete anamolies. These folks try both above methods and neither work. Gains come harder than winning the lotto and most probably quit, or continue to pursue the process like I do . Who knows why we don't gain. Genetics is the easy answer, but I don't buy it. I think all no-gainers can gain if they happen to discover how to. I have recently revised my thinking. I don't think there is a single male on this planet that can't gain through PE. But, I think I am in the very very small majority of the people in this group who press on despite little to no success.

We gain, although not a lot and in fucked-up patterns.


My predicted fucked-up pattern...
...which you touched upon briefly but left a key ingredient out, which I will highlight in red.

High Starting EQ ---> Routine ---> Continued high EQ ---> Routine ---> Higher EQ (if possible) ---> LOSS of SIZE ---> break ---> Gain

(I call this predicted, because I could be way off again. I'm not even convinced at this point that I have gained - only because I have never been able to see a gain stick for more than a week )


The part in red is the part that pisses me off because I cannot for the life of me explain it. It really doesn't make much sense at all to me. Basically, what my pattern is telling me, is that I train at a comfortable level without even coming close to overtraining. I know this because my EQ stays high and I don't see any negative P.I.s. Continuing down this road will lead to a loss in size? Doesn't make one fucking bit of sense. BUT - when I take a break (7-10 days), I come back with a growth spurt.

Your weight lifting analogy is a good one and I think definitely describes a lot of PE'ers who should take strategic breaks every 4-5 weeks. But, it doesn't describe me. It would if you would struggle to hit 200 and had to drop down to barely bench 190 after 2-3 weeks of consistently doing 200.