Finasterid = bigger penis! must read !

[BIGred]

are you preppin your schlong for the grill?

[kingpole]

Oh boy! Wow! What a wealth of info!

Can someone (like Jackxxx) inform me (I never got the memo) as to what DHT is and does? Sorry.

Also, I use an olive oil/honey/vaseline/tea tree oil mix to jelq with,...........

Any comments on THAT?

DHT is the hormone repsponcible for penis growth. It also helps prevent testosterone from converting to estrogen. green tea raises DHT levels. And does so w/o enlarging the prostate. Passion flower prevents the conversion of testosterone over to estrogen. Dht also prevents the conversion over to estrogen. DHT good, Estrogen bad!

[Jackxxx]

DHT is the hormone repsponcible for penis growth. It also helps prevent testosterone from converting to estrogen. green tea raises DHT levels. And does so w/o enlarging the prostate. Passion flower prevents the conversion of testosterone over to estrogen. Dht also prevents the conversion over to estrogen. DHT good, Estrogen bad!

yeah but elevated levels of DHT, is responsible for hair loss, and prostate enlargement. The amount of DHT that green tea can increase is minimum. Almost undetectable. The only efficient way to increase DHT is through chemicals like transdermal DHT, or Anabolic Steroids such as Masteron (drostanolone propionate) which is a derivative of DHT. DHT is also responsible for libido.

[MrJiggles]

I am a newbie and have not tried any of this yet. I would be interested to hear if any of you have or have tried
anything similar.


It would seem that the body goes through a huge influx of DHT during puberty. Since hair loss and acne are considered
side effects of too much DHT and this occurs during puberty. It would seem that hair loss and acne products may hold
an answer. I have never used them, so I can comment on their efficacy.

To begin, we need to create a localized "beginning" environment (pre-puberty) of low DHT and then change to a localized
change/growth environment (puberty) of high DHT. I am sure there are other factors involved that we have not
discovered yet.

After looking into the hormone path a bit. I am still hooked on the idea and that there must be something that can be
done.

1. Starve the penis of DHT and clean the receptors or block them. (6 month protocol ?)
a. Inhibit both types of 5-AR enzymes locally
- using topical cream or oil
- Clearogen lotion ($25) seems to be very good at this (Fatty Acids)
- Shampoo like Nizoral
b. Block receptor sites
- not sure if we want to do this? Clearogen also does this (saw palmetto).

The question is, is this enough blocking. Finesteride apparently only blocks type 2 of 5-AR. I was thinking to use
DMSO and break up a pill into powder and apply it topically. I do believe clearogen should do the trick more
effectively.

All of this is not permanent and should clear the system with time except for Finesteride which elicit permanent DHT
conversion damage.
Now we are starting over in the puberty phase. At least, this is my weak understanding of our adulesent growth phase.

2a. Next we simultaneously increase the androgen receptor sensitivity and bring back DHT.

a. AR Sensitivity (absorbed through the digestive tract)
- Zinc Aspertate
- Caprylic Acid
- Phytoandrogen - Ginger extract (5% gingerol)
- Horny Goat Weed (20% Icarrin) - Aromatase Inhibitor to free up more testosterone
- Peperine for absorption
- etc...most of this stuff comes in powder form (ie smartpowders.com)
- A lot of the body building supplements target AR sensitivity and prevent DHT conversions so that
the body can maintain higher free testo. I believe there is one that might do the trick. Just requires a bit more
research such as Iforce Max Out

2b. Increase DHT and GH levels

a. Restore DHT
- Naturally increase DHT or
- Androcrime ($75 topical DHT) Not sure how to get it, since its in Europe.
b. Increase GH
- Secretagogues (Ghenerate by LG)
- Suppress samatostatin (still research this)

Many times the natural testosterone boosters do not have any blood work to back up the manufacturers claim.
Stick with old stuff like horny goat weed.

The only thing is to try them yourself and determine which is best. There are some long standing extracts that
are backed by reputable companies.

All of this is localized, we hope, thus reducing the systemic problems. This protocol may take several cycles
to see progress. Your guy did not grow over night, it was over a period of a few year and I assume in spurts

Is this a sound theory and protocol, alrighty, have at it?

Concerning DHT and BPH, there is more evidence that its estrogen that is the root cause. We are constantly
bombarded with estrogen mimicking compounds (soy, plastics, etc). DHT just causes the growth. Read up on this
train of thought on the websites and there are many more. I believe there is a patent related to this theory
which uses a potential estrogen blocking method to treat BPH.

http://nickdelgado.blogspot.com/2008/01/dht-is-not-culprit-with-bph-or-prostate.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17068134

Our ability to detect and correlate is consistently being refined every year which sometimes nullify long
standing theories. Next it will be pregnenolone, I doubt it though

[vulcan]

I have to admit, I find this stuff fascinating. It would scare me though to actually try it.

Are you considering doing this Mr Jiggles?

All of this is not permanent and should clear the system with time except for Finesteride which elicit permanent DHT
conversion damage.

This would worry me a lot, I would not want to have to rely on exogenous DHT for my masculine characteristics.

[blink2000]

All of this is not permanent and should clear the system with time except for Finesteride which elicit permanent DHT
conversion damage.

I took Propecia for a few months--I wonder if I did permanent damage to my testosterone production?

[vulcan]

I want to bump this one to the top.

I wasn't trying to stop discussion with my remark - kind of just thinking out loud.

[blink2000]

I want to bump this one to the top.

I wasn't trying to stop discussion with my remark - kind of just thinking out loud.

Nothing wrong with that.

[vulcan]

This study seems to suggest that endogenous testosterone & estradiol levels are decreased.

Serum Androgen Bioactivity During 5{alpha}-Dihydrotestosterone Treatment in Elderly Men -- Raivio et al. 23 (6): 919 -- Journal of Andrology

[MrJiggles]

I cant say that I am ready to try this yet. I think I need to understand whether one can apply DHT binding compounds / formulas and have them act locally. Will the affect be localized? Is this possible? Also the 5-AR conversion being reduced permanently, I was quoting a previous post. I have yet to search for evidence on that. In the end, its the androgen to estrogen ratios that our body is compensating to maintain (homeostasis).

If you have a good insurance plan, it should cover blood work for detecting hormone levels. I may try each step separately and do blood work before and after. I am most concerned about the 1st step. Still researching.

Thinking out loud ... If clearogen (acne products) are used during puberty and did not act locally, you would think the person would experience other masculine deficiencies. Would not the medical industry catch this, especially the HRT docs.