Angiogenesis? Arteriogenesis? Limiting tissue and supporting tissue and theories.

[watersnake]

This guy has a theory that is may be changing PE, and some would rather stiffle the theory. Open your mind. I don't even know what the theory is or what the exercises are, but I have an open mind. Biology is not stagnant! I really hate watching videos because I get anxiety about porn. However I can tell by reading about people's PIs that something is legit here and even old geezers like Cusp should have an open mind.

[USGainEx]

This guy has a theory that is may be changing PE, and some would rather stiffle the theory. Open your mind. I don't even know what the theory is or what the exercises are, but I have an open mind. Biology is not stagnant! I really hate watching videos because I get anxiety about porn. However I can tell by reading about people's PIs that something is legit here and even old geezers like Cusp should have an open mind.

The supposed physiology, and even physics, behind this method is extremely flawed. Yes, the method has merit, but the explanation is such bullshit that you can't blame folks who have knowledge of these things for immediately throwing up a red flag. Hell, less than two minutes into the guy's video, I laughed out loud.

But it will work, even if just for maximising EQ, because the method is good even though the theory is garbage.

[raybbaby]

Nobody is trying to stifle anyone. It is a moot point, but I wish his comment that got him (Janice) kicked off the forum was still there, not only because I'm nosy, but then folks could see it was legit and not because someone is trying to stifle him. It is not as if we are all clinging to some fundamental PE dogma like some kind of religious sect. This exercise seems to be working, and it would be good to understand its mechanics, if for no other reason than to maximize gains and better understand what methods would work best in conjunction with it. I think I have a relatively open mind. That just means if facts and logic lead me to conclude what I believe is wrong, I will change it. Being open minded doesn't mean you take leave of critical thought, or that any and all hypotheses put forward are somehow equally valid. There are grown people who believe they can be healed by crystals. Should I have an open mind about that? Of course not.

I would like to better understand how this exercise works, and how it triggers growth. Unfortunately, nobody seems to really know, and the dude who came up with the exercise is off on some wild goose chase, seeking out only information that confirms what he already believes.

[USGainEx]

I would like to better understand how this exercise works, and how it triggers growth. Unfortunately, nobody seems to really know, and the dude who came up with the exercise is off on some wild goose chase, seeking out only information that confirms what he already believes.

Well, I tried

[raybbaby]

I'm not sure that is right though either. It's a possibility, but I'm not sure that is in fact what is happening.

[USGainEx]

I'm not sure that is right though either. It's a possibility, but I'm not sure that is in fact what is happening.

It's the only medically valid reason for it to work. He claims that rapidly pumping blood out of the penis creates high flow shear stress, but that only happens in partially blocked arteries where blood pressure is pushing the blood through a smaller space. You can't achieve that by removing blood faster than the arteries are delivering it because delivery is dependent on blood pressure and artery diameter. Besides, if high flow sheer stress alone caused arterial growth, nobody would ever have to worry about blockages because the blocked artery would grow at the point of the highest sheer- right at the blockage.


Intermittent hypoxia caused by the absence of blood WOULD have the effect you guys have described. Pumping the blood out collapses the vessels and starves the tissues of oxygen. The body reacts to that by increasing vascularity, thereby supplying more flow. More flow in = higher EQ. Higher EQ = larger apparent size. Better constant flow of blood through the penis = healthier penis, which just might be all it needs to grow for some people.

If you built a system of soft tubes, connected to a water supply capable of delivering 5 gal/min through the system, and the installed a peristaltic pump that pumps 10 gal/min. at the very end of the system, you'd suck the tubing flat. You'll still get 5 gal/min through the tubing, but systemic pressure would be negative. So let's say you designed this system as a sprinkler, with pinholes in the tubing. You're gonna get 5gal/minute through, but it won't spray out of the holes because you're pumping it out faster. Same thing happens with oxygen. It cant get to the cells.

I'd be willing to bet that not only have you experienced better EQ, the time it takes to go from 0-10/10 is a lot shorter as well. If so, its because the supply arteries have increased in size, filling the penis with blood much faster.

[raybbaby]

Sounds about right. That explains the heartbeat being not just felt but actually visible in the erection by the end of the exercise.

Edit point: The more I read USGainEx post, the more I see contradictions and analogies that just fall apart. I don't say that as an attack or insult, but in the interest of debate. And in trying to figure out what is actually happening with this method.

" You can't achieve that by removing blood faster than the arteries are delivering it because delivery is dependent on blood pressure and artery diameter." but then in the last paragraph, " If so, its because the supply arteries have increased in size, filling the penis with blood much faster.". You see what I'm saying? Also " The body reacts to that by increasing vascularity, thereby supplying more flow." How does it increase vascularity, and what do you mean by "increased vascularity"? I think also, your peristaltic pump analogy is flawed, mostly because in our case, we do not have a limited supply of fluid, I don't believe my thumb twiddling speediest can outrun how fast my heart is pumping blood into the penile arteries. At least not once they have had their diameter increased. You see what I'm saying? We are actually kind of at the same place on this it seems.

[CUSP82]

It's the only medically valid reason for it to work. He claims that rapidly pumping blood out of the penis creates high flow shear stress, but that only happens in partially blocked arteries where blood pressure is pushing the blood through a smaller space. You can't achieve that by removing blood faster than the arteries are delivering it because delivery is dependent on blood pressure and artery diameter. Besides, if high flow sheer stress alone caused arterial growth, nobody would ever have to worry about blockages because the blocked artery would grow at the point of the highest sheer- right at the blockage.


Intermittent hypoxia caused by the absence of blood WOULD have the effect you guys have described. Pumping the blood out collapses the vessels and starves the tissues of oxygen. The body reacts to that by increasing vascularity, thereby supplying more flow. More flow in = higher EQ. Higher EQ = larger apparent size. Better constant flow of blood through the penis = healthier penis, which just might be all it needs to grow for some people.

If you built a system of soft tubes, connected to a water supply capable of delivering 5 gal/min through the system, and the installed a peristaltic pump that pumps 10 gal/min. at the very end of the system, you'd suck the tubing flat. You'll still get 5 gal/min through the tubing, but systemic pressure would be negative. So let's say you designed this system as a sprinkler, with pinholes in the tubing. You're gonna get 5gal/minute through, but it won't spray out of the holes because you're pumping it out faster. Same thing happens with oxygen. It cant get to the cells.

I'd be willing to bet that not only have you experienced better EQ, the time it takes to go from 0-10/10 is a lot shorter as well. If so, its because the supply arteries have increased in size, filling the penis with blood much faster.

Smart guy. I think I may like him already. Maybe one day I'll explain to you in theory why all of these methods may work. Right now I making wings!

[USGainEx]

I do appreciate the debate.
I don't take it as an insult at all.

" You can't achieve that by removing blood faster than the arteries are delivering it because delivery is dependent on blood pressure and artery diameter." but then in the last paragraph, " If so, its because the supply arteries have increased in size, filling the penis with blood much faster.". You see what I'm saying?"

Those are two different scenarios. One is during the exercise. The second is an effect of the body's response to it. The hypoxia causes the body to respond by enlarging the arteries, and larger arteries supply more blood under the same pressure. The after-effect being faster erections.

Also " The body reacts to that by increasing vascularity, thereby supplying more flow." How does it increase vascularity, and what do you mean by "increased vascularity"?

The arteries increase in diameter. I can post the research into exactly how this happens physiologically, if you'd like.

I think also, your peristaltic pump analogy is flawed, mostly because in our case, we do not have a limited supply of fluid, I don't believe my thumb twiddling speediest can outrun how fast my heart is pumping blood into the penile arteries. At least not once they have had their diameter increased. You see what I'm saying? We are actually kind of at the same place on this it seems.

You CAN outrun supply at first, which is why you lose your erection. Arterial supply isn't infinite, its based on diameter and pressure. You are correct that once those arteries grow, supply should be harder and harder to outrun, ultimately resulting in being able to stay erect through the entire workout.

That IS, in fact, the whole point of the workout itself: to cause a physiological response that delivers more blood to your dick. The only real counterpoint I have to the original explanation is the fact that he says high-flow shear stress is the stimulus for the response. It can't be. The laws of fluid dynamics say it's impossible, and the arteries aren't stimulated to grow from it even if it were.

I have every confidence that the method works. It just doesn't work the way he says.


Try this: Whenever you do the workout, make it your goal to outrun supply to the point where you lose your erection. Faster faster faster! I can just about guarantee that your erections will come on faster and stronger as your body adapts.

[Pegasus]

The central point is does it work?
If it does the scientists can work out why later .
My view is simple enough . Guys are trying it after 3months i will look at their results.