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  • Mirror and Palpation Tests - Determine Your LOT Angle

    A few guys have been asking questions about determining their LOT (Loss of Tug-back Angle). If you're unfamiliar with LOT theory, be sure to read this thread here:
    LOT Theory

    Some will find the results of the LOT test inconclusive or difficult to determine. The "Mirror and Palpation Tests" will help you further confirm the angle at which your penis exits your pelvis.

    9 O'Clock - Your penis points completely straight out
    8 O'Clock - Your penis points slightly down
    7 O'Clock - Your penis has a downward angle
    6 O'Clock - Your penis points completely straight down

    Mirror and Palpation Tests - Determine Your LOT Angle

    Source: Bib's Mirror and Palpation tests to Determine LOT

    Bib / Bigger:
    These two tests go hand in hand with the LOT test in understanding the relationships between the ligs, inner shaft, and outer shaft for each individual. I define the inner shaft 1 as the shaft from the internal anchor point, the crux or bulbs, to the bottom of the pubic bone. I define inner shaft 2 as the shaft from the bottom of the pubic bone to the skin exit point. I define the outer shaft as the portion of penile shaft that can be seen outside of the body.

    Much of the gains that may be had by hangers can be made from pulling the inner shaft II out and down, lengthening the ligaments to allow this, and making inner shaft II into outer shaft.

    After months of hanging, it may be possible to realize maximum gains from this ligament stretch, which will have the affect of exposing all of the shaft, outer shaft all the way to the inner anchor points, to hanging stresses, at almost any angle. In other words, you may be able to stretch the ligaments in a dedicated fashion enough so that they do not interfere with stressing the entire length of the tunica. At that point in time, you can realize further gains by dedicated tunica stretch.

    These tests are designed to help guys find out the condition of their ligs, and what angles and techniques should be most effective and efficient at any particular time.

    The LOT test information may be found here:

    LOT Theory

    Mirror test
    The bottom of the pubic bone is what needs to be determined first. Fairly simple: Stand nude in front of a mirror with feet fairly close together. In your mind, draw lines following the groinal grooves down to where they meet. The groinal grooves are where the legs attach to the body. For some guys with legs that are further apart, you may have to imagine a line across from the bottom of one groinal groove to the bottom of the other groinal groove. This line, or in the first example where the lines intersect, is about the bottom of the pubic bone.

    https://www.pegym.com/forums/attachm...1&d=1284307063

    Next, look at where the penis shaft exits the skin. For some guys, it will be very low, below or even well below the intersection of the groinal lines, indicating a very low LOT. Most porn stars have this physiology. For other guys, it will be up a bit, at the intersection. For others, it may be well above the intersection, indicating a high LOT.

    The differences in where the shaft exits the body in relation to the pubic bone indicates the relative strength, length, and/or tightness of the ligament bundles.

    For guys with a medium to high exit point, they may greatly benefit from hanging at the lower angles, especially BTC.

    For guys with a low to very low exit point, they will benefit from fulcrum hanging, and hanging at the upper angles, from SO to OTS, both with and without a fulcrum.

    Palpation test
    Please refer to the drawing, finding the skin exit point, and the bottom of the pubic bone on the drawing.

    https://www.pegym.com/forums/attachm...1&d=1284307063

    Once again, fairly simple once you are able to recognize what you are feeling. Palpation means to feel, probe, with the intention of gathering information.

    Start at the skin exit point, and feel beneath the shaft. You should be able to feel, and possibly even pick up some or all of the lig bundles, through the skin, and between the shaft and the pubic bone. You may need to stretch out the shaft a bit to further expose the ligs in order to feel them.

    Now, palpate the inner shaft 2, that portion of the shaft inside the skin. This will be done through the scrotal skin for most guys. On either side of the shaft, you should be able to feel down to the hard pubic bone on the back side of the shaft. Feeling along the shaft, and below the shaft, follow the pubic bone down, until you reach the very bottom of the pubic bone. Finding the very bottom is the hard part. As in the drawing, the PB is somewhat curved until it reaches the bottom, where there is somewhat of a sharp inward turn. At that point, or slightly past that point, you should only be able to palpate soft tissue.

    Further, at that point, you may be able to palpate the prostate, which does not feel like penile shaft, but rather a bulb. When and if you probe the prostate, it will probably feel weird (the prostate itself, not the feeling in your fingers), even pleasurable. The feeling will be completely different from palpating shaft.

    Once you have found the bottom of the pubic bone, where the shaft and bottom of the pubic bone intersect, keep a finger on that point. Then, you can actually measure the distance between that point, and the skin exit point. This measure will give you the absolute maximum gain you can expect from ligament stretch. In other words, if you were to maximally stretch the ligs, and expose all of the inner shaft 2, making it outer shaft, this is what you could gain, discounting pubic fat (pubic bone pressed measure).

    Solely for scientific purposes, you can see the relationship described above in most porn stars. Looking at an erect porn star, you can see the shaft appear to almost exit just in front of the anus, then you may actually be able to see the prostate, then the scrotum, etc. This shows that most porn stars have maximally lengthened ligaments, or their ligament attachment points are such that the ligaments do not interfere with their erections.

    Note: Some guys find performing this test in the erect state to be much easier. An erect test may be more accurate in giving the possible erect gains, given that erection pressure may effect the tension of the ligaments, and even pull the skin exit point down a bit.

    After performing the LOT test, the mirror test, and the palpation test, you should have a good idea of the condition of your ligament anatomy. You should know the possible maximum potential for gains from lig stretch, whether you should concentrate on lig stretch or tunica stretch, and what hanging angles and/or techniques you should concentrate on.

    Please ask questions if you do not understand.

    Bigger"

    More hanging related threads:
    I have put together a number of related hanging threads to help guide you through the process of learning about hanging. Start with hanging 101 & Blink2000's Hanging Tips. Reading through those threads will help you understand how to hang and give you some basic theories to help you start figuring out which hanging angles to use, how to reach fatigue, etc.

    The hanging theory threads are mostly geared towards helping you understand where your penis currently exits your pelvis, and how to fully maximize suspensory ligament stretch gains (BTC & SD). Once you've maximized your suspensory ligament gains you can move to higher angles such as SU & OTS. Eventually, once you feel ready, or once you start to plateau with standard hanging angles (SD, SU, OTS, BTC, SD, UTL, OTL, etc), you will be ready to start using fulcrums, such as the RSDT.

    Each time you change angles, remember to do maintenance hanging at your previous angle until those respective previous target tissues are cemented & heal in a permanent, elongated state. Once you reach your ultimate length goals, be sure to do some maintenance hanging to maintain your hanging gains while work on your girth gains.

    Practical Hanging Advice:
    Hanging 101
    Blink2000's Hanging Tips
    Turkey-Neck Correcting Wrap (for SD & BTC Angles)

    Hanging Theory:
    Why Hanging Should be Done Before Advanced Girth Work: Length First, Girth Second
    Maximizing Ligament Stretch Gains & LOT Theory
    Choosing Your Angle of Attack, Target the Ligs first, then Tunica

    Homemade Hanger Recipes
    The Captn's Wench
    Tom Hubbards AFB Hanger

    Fulcrums
    https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...crum-rsdt.html
    Attached Files
    Last edited by blink2000; 09-12-2010, 11:50 AM.
    My progress journal / useful PE links

  • #2
    hey here, kinda hsort of time, but anyways, i coudlnt find my LOT as every angl e has tug back.

    Soo i used the miror method. Well, basically, the groinal line, where it ends, is the point of the v shape your legs create right? wel l if it is, one question, when you say the point wherre the penis shaft exits the skins, means the tip of the penis, or you mean the point between the shaft and glans? so that means when it reaches the glan, thats the penis shaft exiting the skin?

    well thx

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    • #3
      Originally posted by pointerRyan View Post
      hey here, kinda hsort of time, but anyways, i coudlnt find my LOT as every angl e has tug back.

      Soo i used the miror method. Well, basically, the groinal line, where it ends, is the point of the v shape your legs create right? wel l if it is, one question, when you say the point wherre the penis shaft exits the skins, means the tip of the penis, or you mean the point between the shaft and glans? so that means when it reaches the glan, thats the penis shaft exiting the skin?

      well thx
      I think there may be some confusion here. In terms of Bib's theory, I believe I referred to the point where the penis shaft exits the pelvis, not the skin.

      Does that help?
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      • #4
        NO not at all this is totally as clear as mud

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        • #5
          I agree with bitchface.

          This whole page is totally not useful unless explained with a better pic or video.

          I read it several times...i feel like I am trying to find the starting point in a circle.

          Very confusing.

          I really appreciate blink and bib put together these wealth of information, however. But explaining in words after words after words will cause more confusion rather than the fixing the confusion.

          If any other reader understands this page's content, I declare failure that it is a problem with my understanding.
          7/2014: Starting stats:
          Bpel --- 5.4 inch Nbpel --- 4.8 inch Bpfsl ---- 5.75 inch
          4/2015:
          Bpel --- 6.2 inch nbpel --- 5.6 inch Bpfsl ---7.1 inch

          goal: good flaccid hang, nbpel 7 inch, girth 6 and great sex

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          • #6
            The lower image was made by Bib (aka Bigger) some time back. It's just used for reference to tell how high or low hung your penis is. Essentially, what Bib was saying when he made this was (referring to the lower image still):

            If the exit point of your penis in relation to the bottom of the pelvis is similar to the green dot, you are high hung. This most likely means that you have a tight suspensory ligament and could see easy gains from hanging as you deform the ligament.

            If the exit point of your penis in relation to the bottom of the pelvis is similar to the red dot, then you are hung low. This means that your suspensory ligament is already long and loose. These are the hard gainers when it comes to hanging, because after the suspensory ligament is lengthened, you must actually deform the very tough tendon-like tunica that defines the shaft of the penis.

            I would also like to note that the original article tried to associate LOT (loss of tugback) with the exit point of the penis. In my experience and all of my reading, I don't believe there is such a correlation (besides, the LOT theory has largely been disproven). Therefore, I've always considered the mirror test only a gauge of potential suspensory ligament gains.
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            • #7
              Blink for the palpation test, I don't understand where the skin exit point your talking about is. Can you help?

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              • #8
                Good luck getting a reply, he hasn't been on here in years.

                Originally posted by Austin0783 View Post
                Blink for the palpation test, I don't understand where the skin exit point your talking about is. Can you help?
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                • #9
                  That's almost impossible to understand...
                  Start BPEL - 7.5" / EG - 6.0"

                  Goal BPEL - 8.7" / EG - 6.5"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tcastle View Post
                    That's almost impossible to understand...
                    Why would you even care about this theory, hasn't it been disproven mostly?
                    Started 20/04/15: NBPEL: ?? BPEL 17 cm (6.69 in) MSEG 13.5 cm (5.31 in)
                    Current 28/04/15: NBPEL: 16 cm (6.29 inches) BPEL: 17.5 cm (6.89 in) MSEG: 13.7 cm (5.39 in)
                    Current 05/08/15 (after a complete 1 month break and PE on and off): NPEL: 16 cm BPEL 18 cm (7.08 in) MSEG: 14 cm (5.51in)

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                    • #11
                      The LOT theorry is now considered obsolete. The mirror and palpation test are still valid ways to determine the penis exit point and possible gains from lig stretching.
                      To totally satisfy a woman sexually is not about having a large penis, it's about being a good lover.

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                      • #12
                        So it's still valid for something...
                        Start BPEL - 7.5" / EG - 6.0"

                        Goal BPEL - 8.7" / EG - 6.5"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cavalier View Post
                          The LOT theorry is now considered obsolete. The mirror and palpation test are still valid ways to determine the penis exit point and possible gains from lig stretching.
                          Considered obsolete by who? Many people including myself think it is valid.

                          This obsolete bullshit started because a member at thunders made a model and then said since it did not make sense it must then be obsolete.

                          I don't think a model can simulate human ligs. To this day no one has answered to any satisfaction why it is obsolete. I just keep seeing people repetitive the statement as if it is fact.

                          I think all newbs should read about the lot theory.

                          Decide for yourselves young lads, there is a lot to it.
                          Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before

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                          • #14
                            Well I don't think it is of much value. Not because it has no use, but because if you just hang for all the lights growth directions you don't need to worry about limiting factors. Just hang em all. You will gain.
                            ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wishful10x8 View Post
                              Well I don't think it is of much value. Not because it has no use, but because if you just hang for all the lights growth directions you don't need to worry about limiting factors. Just hang em all. You will gain.
                              Lights growth? Auto correct got ya. I agree with the multiple directions but get what you can with low angles first.
                              Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before

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