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  • Cavalier
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    Originally posted by BigO View Post
    Considered obsolete by who? Many people including myself think it is valid.

    This obsolete bullshit started because a member at thunders made a model and then said since it did not make sense it must then be obsolete.

    I don't think a model can simulate human ligs. To this day no one has answered to any satisfaction why it is obsolete. I just keep seeing people repetitive the statement as if it is fact.

    I think all newbs should read about the lot theory.

    Decide for yourselves young lads, there is a lot to it.
    Hey BigO, I did mean to write " considered to be obsolete by some". I know not everyone agrees with it and there are varying opinions on it. I did use this theory when I started to determine that I needed to work on my ligs first and I gained well because of it. Because of this my exit point has dropped dramatically and my ligs are well stretched out, but my LOT hasn't changed a bit. It didn't seem to apply to me as far the LOT changing with lower exit point and stretched ligs, but that's just me, not everyone. I still think that everyone should try it though, it may have merit for them.

    As far as where it is stated here that it is considered obsolete, it's right there in writing for anyone who is reading up on the JP90.


    Determining LOT (Loss of Tug)





    LOT (Loss of Tug). This theory was first posted by Bib.



    This is now considered obsolete. Exercises should be done in all directions.

    I'm leaving this for it's curosity value, as this was the hot theory
    back at the very beginning of PE. I believe in the late 90's.


    I'm not trying to argue your point, it's a well thought out theory. I'm just pointing where some people are coming up with this from a reputable source.
    Last edited by Cavalier; 08-06-2015, 06:13 AM.

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  • closed224
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    Yup damn spell fixer. Ligament growth starting with low angle hanging. Be consistent, persistent, safe, and patient.

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  • BigO
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    Originally posted by Wishful10x8 View Post
    Well I don't think it is of much value. Not because it has no use, but because if you just hang for all the lights growth directions you don't need to worry about limiting factors. Just hang em all. You will gain.
    Lights growth? Auto correct got ya. I agree with the multiple directions but get what you can with low angles first.

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  • closed224
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    Well I don't think it is of much value. Not because it has no use, but because if you just hang for all the lights growth directions you don't need to worry about limiting factors. Just hang em all. You will gain.

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  • BigO
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    Originally posted by Cavalier View Post
    The LOT theorry is now considered obsolete. The mirror and palpation test are still valid ways to determine the penis exit point and possible gains from lig stretching.
    Considered obsolete by who? Many people including myself think it is valid.

    This obsolete bullshit started because a member at thunders made a model and then said since it did not make sense it must then be obsolete.

    I don't think a model can simulate human ligs. To this day no one has answered to any satisfaction why it is obsolete. I just keep seeing people repetitive the statement as if it is fact.

    I think all newbs should read about the lot theory.

    Decide for yourselves young lads, there is a lot to it.

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  • tcastle
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    So it's still valid for something...

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  • Cavalier
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    The LOT theorry is now considered obsolete. The mirror and palpation test are still valid ways to determine the penis exit point and possible gains from lig stretching.

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  • WildBlue
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    Originally posted by tcastle View Post
    That's almost impossible to understand...
    Why would you even care about this theory, hasn't it been disproven mostly?

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  • tcastle
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    That's almost impossible to understand...

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  • kickinthemebs
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    Good luck getting a reply, he hasn't been on here in years.

    Originally posted by Austin0783 View Post
    Blink for the palpation test, I don't understand where the skin exit point your talking about is. Can you help?

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  • Austin0783
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    Blink for the palpation test, I don't understand where the skin exit point your talking about is. Can you help?

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  • donjelqer76
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    The lower image was made by Bib (aka Bigger) some time back. It's just used for reference to tell how high or low hung your penis is. Essentially, what Bib was saying when he made this was (referring to the lower image still):

    If the exit point of your penis in relation to the bottom of the pelvis is similar to the green dot, you are high hung. This most likely means that you have a tight suspensory ligament and could see easy gains from hanging as you deform the ligament.

    If the exit point of your penis in relation to the bottom of the pelvis is similar to the red dot, then you are hung low. This means that your suspensory ligament is already long and loose. These are the hard gainers when it comes to hanging, because after the suspensory ligament is lengthened, you must actually deform the very tough tendon-like tunica that defines the shaft of the penis.

    I would also like to note that the original article tried to associate LOT (loss of tugback) with the exit point of the penis. In my experience and all of my reading, I don't believe there is such a correlation (besides, the LOT theory has largely been disproven). Therefore, I've always considered the mirror test only a gauge of potential suspensory ligament gains.

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  • vpwantsbig
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    I agree with bitchface.

    This whole page is totally not useful unless explained with a better pic or video.

    I read it several times...i feel like I am trying to find the starting point in a circle.

    Very confusing.

    I really appreciate blink and bib put together these wealth of information, however. But explaining in words after words after words will cause more confusion rather than the fixing the confusion.

    If any other reader understands this page's content, I declare failure that it is a problem with my understanding.

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  • bitchface
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    NO not at all this is totally as clear as mud

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  • blink2000
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    Originally posted by pointerRyan View Post
    hey here, kinda hsort of time, but anyways, i coudlnt find my LOT as every angl e has tug back.

    Soo i used the miror method. Well, basically, the groinal line, where it ends, is the point of the v shape your legs create right? wel l if it is, one question, when you say the point wherre the penis shaft exits the skins, means the tip of the penis, or you mean the point between the shaft and glans? so that means when it reaches the glan, thats the penis shaft exiting the skin?

    well thx
    I think there may be some confusion here. In terms of Bib's theory, I believe I referred to the point where the penis shaft exits the pelvis, not the skin.

    Does that help?

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