PE vs testosterone vs dht?

[blink2000]

So in PE the ligaments only become bigger and in surgery they cut them?

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Like i said i know the propecia side effects, and the only that matters is lowering dht. not atrophy, my dick works just fine

And i can't ask a doctor is this matter for PE, they don't know about it.

I just would like to know if the level of dht is important for the results of PE.. anyone know???

And i can't understand how not anybody else besides you give a comment.

Through PE you can maximize suspensory ligament deformation (stretch them out) without severing them yes. The effect of surgery is very different from the effect you get with PE. You can study phalloplasty to learn more, or study anatomy & try to understand the relationship between suspensory ligaments & the rest of the penis.

[CUSP82]

Let's go back to your original post where you say YOU have done research and have concluded that chemical addition helps a lot in pe and you waned to know if that was correct? Does that sound like a contradiction to you? What did your research tell you? Now if you have to take a med that lowers your dht level then you need that med for whatever issue you need it for. So why would you worry about it's effect on pe? You have to take that med so whatever it's affect it has or doesn't have well the point is moot because you need that medicine! Do your pe routine and stop the worry which will screw up things more! Worry and stress is far worse for your pe than anything else1 See when you stress out your body tends to make it's own little medicines that tend to work against the whole pe concept. As for chemicals helping out your pe, well I have yet to have anyone from the chem side, although I have asked repeatedly,tell me how much they gained and if any gains from that stuff was permanent. Never got an answer!

[sizeupupup]

blink2000, PE is really healthy. we just need to worry about stretch marks and other side effects.

CUSP82, thanks for the awesome answer! You mean the guys at pe chemical no one know the answer?

Yes i need the medication for hair loss, but if i gain less or don't gain, a prefer a big penis to big hair

But for what you say, stress is even worse.

I just asked if the dht is essential because i don't have too much time on my life, and before commiting to PE i need to know if the factors are at my side!

[CUSP82]

I would do pe, I wouldn't do anything for hair loss because in the long run it won't work and it really doesn't matter anyway if you don't have hair and go and have some fun!

[sizeupupup]

eheh i'm 23 and i kept and regrow my hair, and i still have some fun. just want to improve my penis so i can be better on bed.

so that's why i asked ""i just need to know if dht is essential because i don't have too much time on my life, and before commiting to PE i need to know if the factors are at my side!""

[sizeupupup]

So... for the moderators/experienced:

does DHT levels contribute directly to PE?

[Big Al]

So... for the moderators/experienced:

does DHT levels contribute directly to PE?

It may appear that way in some cases, but it could be a result of merely correcting a deficiency as opposed to what most guys would define as "enlargement".

Here's a post on this subject: https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...html#post27840

[scientificapproach]

It may appear that way in some cases, but it could be a result of merely correcting a deficiency as opposed to what most guys would define as "enlargement".

Here's a post on this subject: https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...html#post27840

Hi Guys. Its been a very long time since I last posted on here. I have been a chronic NON gainer. Nothing seems to have worked for me. I have spent the past few years looking into androgens and hormones. I know my testosterone level is borderline low, therefore my DHT is likely also low. I am becoming more and more convinced that there ARE hidden/chemical/hormonal reasons that make PE a success or failure.

I am beginning to see more and more medical journal studies done on how certain hormones and chemicals do indeed have effects in the smooth muscle and penis. It is now becoming evident testosterone/androgens are very important in preventing smooth muscle atrophy, and venous leakage, and also in producing Nitric Oxide. Testosterone can also trigger growth factor and IGF-1 release. Seemingly androgen receptors may now not be completely down regulated after puberty.

I agree it may at first appear as if androgens only normalise size, but this fact in itself suggest they play a critical role in the growth cell cycle. I theorise PE may be impossible without certain hormone/chemical levels being adequate. Pathways on a biological level are so complex, and sometimes just one missing protein in the chain can halt the entire process.

I believe DLD once stated in a thread, a penis is a penis, if it isn't growing, your probably not using enough intensity. I have some severe doubts over this. I feel the human body is alot more complex, forcing growth with bombardment isn't always possible! On the surface, sure we all look fairly similar. But as bodybuilders know, somatypes exist. If an ectomorph with low testosterone tries to train like a genetically gifted individual he will likely over train and burn out fairly quickly. Why do we think these differences do not apply to the penis?!

I would like to see more work done by the PE community to try and work out what the hormonal differences are between big gainers, average gainers and non gainers. I think testosterone/DHT would be the perfect place to start. I may start a new thread and start trying to piece together what I can.

[vulcan]

Nice post scientificapproach!

I think the OP will appreciate it. I hope you do start that thread.

Is it your opinion that the OP will make less gains if taking DHT blockers?

[scientificapproach]

Nice post scientificapproach!

I think the OP will appreciate it. I hope you do start that thread.

Is it your opinion that the OP will make less gains if taking DHT blockers?

Hi Vulcan, and thank you (nice name incidentally! We could use Mr Spock on this forum )

I personally feel DHT inhibiting drugs may well prove detrimental to PE in the long run. I find finasteride and similar drugs worrying. From what I've read some people develop some rather unpleasant side effects from what I believe is the permanent turning off of the gene responsible for 5-alpha reductase. People often seem to demonise DHT, when it of course has many important roles. It may be one of the best preventions against gynecomastia for example by antagonising the estrogen receptors. I often read about people claiming finasteride seems to lower their sex drive and performance. I feel performance and EQ may well be signs that we have the correct hormones not only for erections but possible for growth. Of course it gets interesting when we then begin to question why penis growth isn't noticed by all steroid users. This is a different thread though, in a nut shell I believe it essentially might be to do with DHT and its major affinity for thr AR, compared to other androgens such as deca and winstrol.

It does seem that finasteride users seem to note that problems remain after the drug is discontinued, again making one wonder exactly how this drug works, and if there is permanent gene alteration.

I guess everyone is different though, and perhaps not everyone responds to the same drug in the same way. Dosage playing a big part too. I suppose if performance is unaltered perhaps ones PE potential will also be unaltered. However, if one had performance issues on such drugs I feel there might be reason to believe this would translate to difficulty gaining. If DHT levels were drastically lowered, perhaps after a period of time the lack of androgens would mean that the smooth muscle was beginning to atrophy, which has been linked with erectile dysfunction.

A thread on hormones and their role in PE would be fantastic, but I can see it proving difficult to gain data, as I doubt many men are aware of their hormone levels. Perhaps tell-tale signs could be useful though, such as lack of beard growth, height, body hair and possible baldness (although I think baldness, and perhaps all these symptoms are not quite as black and white as we might like!)