PE vs testosterone vs dht?

[vulcan]

I am of the same opinion on dht. I am not prepared to block it personally.

It would be great to hear from experienced PE'ers who have taken Finestaride.

[not2big]

Background: My T level is just below the normal range and has been just above or below for several years. I have practiced PE regularly for 12 months, including jelqing, stretching, pumping, extender, and just recently started hanging. In addition, I have suffered increasing ED problems for 15 years, which is most likely attributable to my diabetes. My gains to date have been at most 1/4 inch in length and girth.

I have an appointment to see a Urologist on Nov. 19. It will be interesting to see if the Urologist recommends a treatment to increase my testosterone and as a result I begin to see bigger gains.

I will keep you posted.

[Casanovaman]

anyone experienced enough to answer here? https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...tml#post163588

Androgel is topical testosterone not topical DHT like Andractim. DHT is the hormone that primarily effects penis growth not testosterone. However some testosterone converts to DHT in the body. There is more DHT conversion versus estrogen conversion in topical testosterone use versus injectable testosterone use. All skin cells have DHT receptors but they are especially abundant on scrotum skin (not sure about penis skin, probably there too). So theoretically you could get a decent amount of DHT through androgel application to genitals but not as much DHT as Andractim.

[User235]

Bump.

This thread never came to any conclusions about DHT levels and the whether or not high or low DHT blood levels affects gains (or possibly make the difference between great gains and no gains).

Can anyone add to the discussion?

[GlowyEyes]

I've googled this topic and there is no evidence that DHT have any direct effect on PE. However low levels of DHT may affect PE gains indirectly and I am going to explain why.

DHT (dihydrotestosterone) plays a major role in the formation of male external genitalia during puberty. Male individuals with low natural levels of DHT may suffer from undeveloped penis (or micropenis) and no body or pubic hair. Since DHT is a natural result of testosterone metabolism in the body such individuals are prescribed testosterone injections. The logic here is that more T will mean more DHT thus normal genitalia development. After puberty DHT has no effect on the penis size.

It is very important to understand that there is a difference between penis growth through PE exercises and the natural growth during puberty. During the natural growth your body is increasing your penis size on its own based on the information in your genes and your hormonal balance. You cannot affect your genes (at least yet) but you can affect your hormonal balance. But when the puberty period ends your body stops increasing the penis volume. So the hormonal balance shifts will not affect your penis size anymore.

PE exercises are about streching the existing tissue and forcing the cells in it to multiply artificially. So in this case its the process of healing that plays the main role. And it would be logical to ask what effect has DHT on your body's healing processes. Well, DHT is one of the sources of the Nitric Oxide (NO) generation in your body. And NO is metabolized in wounds and facilitates cell regeneration. Here are abstracts of studies on the role of NO in wound healing.

But in my opinion you shouldn't worry because there are many sources for NO in the body. NO is a result of metabolism of L-arginine for example. So eating L-arginine supplements or food reach in L-arginine should offset any loss of NO due to lower DHT. To sum it up according to different sources low DHT does not have any noticeble detrimental effect on gains from PE routine.

P.S. I am not a doctor or a professional in this field.

[phallic1]

Excellent post GlowyEyes.

Androgens Play a Pivotal Role in Maintaining Penile Tissue Architecture and Erection: A Review -- Traish 30 (4): 363 -- Journal of Andrology

[User235]

Glowy - that's a great bit of information there. Many systems in the body stop growing at various stages in life - the genes that control growth are still there but they're not being expressed any more. So it's makes sense that the growth phase of the penis ends at a very particular time for each individual. Supplementing with hormones won't cause the re-expression of these genes, so it won't be doing any good at all.

Great advice.

[Banana Bender]

I've only seen this post since it was bumped, and I should say I know nuttin' about hormones beyond what every Joe knows.

But the instruction book for my Andropenis says that study subjects who were using hair re-growth formulas such as Propecia and certain unspecified anti-depressants could expect that their penis would not necessarily respond to the stretching device. These drugs were contra-indicated.

Therefore it would appear that there is something in the original post beyond what lay opinions might be - Propecia may indeed negatively affect penis enhancement.

[User235]

But the instruction book for my Andropenis says that study subjects who were using hair re-growth formulas such as Propecia and certain unspecified anti-depressants could expect that their penis would not necessarily respond to the stretching device. These drugs were contra-indicated.

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That's something I'd want to follow up on (although there would be no direct study to show that Propecia or anti-depressants would contraindict PE), I wonder if there are any studies showing a link between these drugs and say a reduction in EQ or size. Time to go googling.

[Banana Bender]

You can find reference to some of these studies on the Andropenis site. The Andropenis forum has some discussion on the use of hair restorative drugs.