Something too good to be true?

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omg you ACTUALLY came to our little corner of webspace. I found your website a few weeks ago while searching randomly for PE related sites and I wrote you off as a nutcase/scam. Please stick around on this site, everyone here would greatly appreciate your insight and advice.

[CUSP82]

WellSyd one thing we don't really like is for a member to call another member foolish.That is basically foolish and we don't condone that here so let's try to be nice.
Now for the second question is that is this an approved medical practice? I have not gone to the web site yet but I will.Experimentation on humans without protocol is kind of a no no as is doing an non accepted medical procedure nor is giving the information and tools necessary to conduct such procedure.I will go and dig for a while and be back. In the meantime be nice Syd!

[hsarge]

What Dr. Runels is doing is often called 'Platelet Spinning'. You may remember Tiger Woods had a doctor from Canada do it for him when he was rehabing his knee. That doctor was arrested for bringing HGH across the border; there was no proof of Woods using HGH, but because of the Woods drama it sparked publicity. Platelet Spinning has been used for years to more quickly heal injuries in pro athletes. Dr. Runels is the first I have heard who has applied this to the penis. I started a thread on this about a week ago that met with some hostility. I also PM'ed a doctor who contributes here to get his opinion. I hope he will add to the discussion. It would seem to me that one would need to create an 'injury' (minor of course) by normal stretching or hanging in order for 'healing', which could mean growth. I know with joints this method causes the repair of cartilage by causing growth of new cells, as well as the strengthening of ligaments and tendons. More remarkably, this same methodology has been used in the heart to try to induce new blood vessel growth. The idea is stimulating. And thanks to Dr. Runels for adding to this discussion.

[UYN]

First of all doctor, I am sorry to have offended you. Such sites usually turn out to be bogus with no real person confessing to own it, at least it has been so until now. So the probability was support my favour. Either way, I still do apologize, but I am still quite skeptical to your experiment. Have you registered it on clinical trials.gov? If so I would very much like it if you provided us with the link, since for all I know you could just be fabricating the numbers you just mentioned.

-UYN-

[DrRunels]

First of all doctor, I am sorry to have offended you. Such sites usually turn out to be bogus with no real person confessing to own it, at least it has been so until now. So the probability was support my favour. Either way, I still do apologize, but I am still quite skeptical to your experiment. Have you registered it on clinical trials.gov? If so I would very much like it if you provided us with the link, since for all I know you could just be fabricating the numbers you just mentioned.

-UYN-

No offense taken--really tried to stress that. I've been called much worse. I figure you have to pretty much live in a hole to not take an occasional shot. At fifty years old, doing medicine for 20 years, and a couple of divorces under my belt--I don't take too many things personal.

Skeptical is a good thing and I'm not here to defend the procedure or to recruit people. Just here to add to the discussion. Stem cell therapy has been greatly misunderstood. But, you are right, for all you know I may be fabricating the numbers. As a matter of fact, a wise doctor told me in medical school, "Charles, there was a time when you could believe what you read in the New England Journal; now about half of it is bogus." There's even been a few studies about how the pressure from the drug companies that grant money for the research sometimes skews the data.

I have a patient who works for the FDA as auditor who just busted a major university for bogus data.

So stay skeptical, but I'm surprised some by the anger and closed-minded response from a forum I expect to be more open to new ideas. Guess you guys have been ripped off one too many times. Well, I'm NOT asking anyone to come see me. Just educating you on the science and will update you as I know more and publish more.

Totipotent stem cells are scary--you take cells from an embryo and in theory you could grow an army of Arnolds--all "manly men" and all exactly alike.

But, unipotent stem cells turn on every time you get a cut, or a sprain, or a bruise--and it's platelets that turn them on.

As for government trials and experimenting with people--it's already approved for putting just about anywhere for scars and rejuvenation. Yes I'm in the process of applying and publishing but it's already been used almost everywhere. Best I can tell, I"m the first person in the world to have the gonads to inject it into his own corpus cavernosum. People do much worse when they inject TriMix which is known to cause priapism and other problems where this has NEVER been know to cause a reaction or fibrosis.

I didn't post to this forum first--someone else did and I'm grateful--but not because I"m asking anyone to my office yet. I just showed up to help explains so please don't think I'm here to be the next penis rip-off.

You may want to read in detail the 4 relevant research papers posted on my site...one in particular from 2003 (seven years ago) where it was mentioned in Urology that this may be the treatment of the future for erectile dysfunction. So, this is not a new idea. Some doctors are harvesting fat (to get stem cells there) and injecting that: but who wants fat in his penis and it seems (from some of the research I posted on my site) that it's the growth factors in the fat and not the fat that's causing an increase in size and I can get more growth factors from platelets. The fact that someone can do surgery on a penis and it heals proves that there are stem cells in the penis to be stimulated just as there are in the face--I don't think there's a need to bring in the fat to bring in more stem cells.

I could go on and on but I'll stop.


Anyway, thanks again for the discussion, no hard feelings.

I think anyone who explores my site, watches my YouTube videos, googles me, reads my credentials will know that I'm just a frustrated doctor looking for a better way.

[DrRunels]

What Dr. Runels is doing is often called 'Platelet Spinning'. You may remember Tiger Woods had a doctor from Canada do it for him when he was rehabing his knee. That doctor was arrested for bringing HGH across the border; there was no proof of Woods using HGH, but because of the Woods drama it sparked publicity. Platelet Spinning has been used for years to more quickly heal injuries in pro athletes. Dr. Runels is the first I have heard who has applied this to the penis. I started a thread on this about a week ago that met with some hostility. I also PM'ed a doctor who contributes here to get his opinion. I hope he will add to the discussion. It would seem to me that one would need to create an 'injury' (minor of course) by normal stretching or hanging in order for 'healing', which could mean growth. I know with joints this method causes the repair of cartilage by causing growth of new cells, as well as the strengthening of ligaments and tendons. More remarkably, this same methodology has been used in the heart to try to induce new blood vessel growth. The idea is stimulating. And thanks to Dr. Runels for adding to this discussion.

You are correct, it's been used many places. Even considered for injection into the brain for help with Parkinsons. again, the summary by Wikipedia about stem cells is a great place to get an understanding. As for needing an injury, that's the beauty of it: I don't injure the face before I inject it into a woman's face. You trick the platelets into thinking there's been an injury--then the growth factors are there without the injury and a rejuvenation takes place. some systems use thrombin, some use mecanical means, Selphyl uses calcium chloride.

You are correct, Tiger's doctor was/is using the same process to stimulate healing in the knees of professional football players.

I would not try to rig up a homemade version of this: the speed and timing with the spinning is critical and of course there are other issues. I have not given the details of how or where I'm injecting and that is also critical.

On the other hand, would this work well in combination with the techniques discussed here? Very good! That's what I've been recommending.

So thank you again for the welcome. Before anyone asks more about the science, I highly recommend reading the Wikipedia discussion of stem cell therapy--you'll probably get your question answered in a much more clear fashion than I'm able to articulate.

Peace & health,

Charles

[DrRunels]

omg you ACTUALLY came to our little corner of webspace. I found your website a few weeks ago while searching randomly for PE related sites and I wrote you off as a nutcase/scam. Please stick around on this site, everyone here would greatly appreciate your insight and advice.

Thank you. I'm also learning on the site. I will sometimes just go to the health food store and ask the cashier--"What's everybody buying these days?" Sometimes people discover things before science proves it.

Open discussion where you say what you know or believe and I say what I know or believe is the whole reason behind a forum and this one seems well moderated and populated by intelligent people with a worth-while goal.

Looking forward to us all seeing more and more published as the science and experience behind penis enlargement grows.

[SydKitty]

WellSyd one thing we don't really like is for a member to call another member foolish.That is basically foolish and we don't condone that here so let's try to be nice.

I'm only nice to the people that deserve it. If they aren't putting money in my pocket to put food on the table, respect isn't something they are instantly granted. ESPECIALLY when the person in question insinuates ANY level of negativity and.or berating in my direction. As a person with a command of the English language, I'm sure you can clearly see his implied insults as well. The report button has never been my friend, I tend to not ignore the bugs that try to crawl under my skin. Attempting to derail the thread so early is also just plain disrespect and if you don't see it as something a moderator has to address, so be it.

I'm glad you've come into the discussion once more, DrRunels. I'm eager to see more discussion from other users here, as I've read your posts on other forums (LPSG, notably). However, I do have questions. Have you photographed any before and afters yet? I've seen your facial work and it's amazing but I'm more interested in seeing the work that concerns this topic. I understand your experiments are still young - I think I read you saying something along the lines of you haven't had a certain number of procedures to make certain guarantees.

[DrRunels]

I'm only nice to the people that deserve it. If they aren't putting money in my pocket to put food on the table, respect isn't something they are instantly granted. ESPECIALLY when the person in question insinuates ANY level of negativity and.or berating in my direction. As a person with a command of the English language, I'm sure you can clearly see his implied insults as well. The report button has never been my friend, I tend to not ignore the bugs that try to crawl under my skin. Attempting to derail the thread so early is also just plain disrespect and if you don't see it as something a moderator has to address, so be it.

I'm glad you've come into the discussion once more, DrRunels. I'm eager to see more discussion from other users here, as I've read your posts on other forums (LPSG, notably). However, I do have questions. Have you photographed any before and afters yet? I've seen your facial work and it's amazing but I'm more interested in seeing the work that concerns this topic. I understand your experiments are still young - I think I read you saying something along the lines of you haven't had a certain number of procedures to make certain guarantees.

The before and afters are a reasonable request. I already offend some of the people who come to my site to simply learn about botox or weight loss/hormone therapies, so I've tried to avoid posting the before and afters of the penis.

Also, I want to be careful not to promise the same results for everyone.

I do have photos, however, so I guess I need to find a way to post without offending the people who just show up at my site to read about Botox. Amazing how women can get boob jobs or facelifts and all is good, but so many are offended at the idea of penis growth. Many women are angry at the idea of Viagra. But, your requests are reasonable.

The other thing is that I'm really not trying to convince anyone right now. If 1 in 1,000 of the people on this forum alone were convinced, there is no way I could handle all the business that would come my way.

So, appointment with patent/trademark attorneys and more data gathered and published and other physicians trained--then you will see photos and a national campaign. Until then, educated discussion and skepticism are probably best for now.

I don't know---Maybe I'll put up a few photos in the next week or so and make the link hard to find. let me think on it.

The other thing I"m not sure of---don't want my site to be labeled porn by the web crawlers--I do other things and my business could suffer.

Again, I am very grateful for all the discussion and interest and very respectful of the skepticism--I've been ripped off more times than I can count and appreciate the careful acceptance of something new.

Charles

[hsarge]

Dr. Runels, you could post the pictures here, or you could place them on your server, and create a link address for us. That link address would not be accessible from you web site. Then you could take the pictures down when ever you want, and the address would show as invalid. You could also put them in and album on LPSG. Then you could empty the album whenever you wish. You could then provide the album address here. Thaks again for your willingness to share you ideas.