Something too good to be true?

[DrRunels]

Dr. Runels, you could post the pictures here, or you could place them on your server, and create a link address for us. That link address would not be accessible from you web site. Then you could take the pictures down when ever you want, and the address would show as invalid. You could also put them in and album on LPSG. Then you could empty the album whenever you wish. You could then provide the album address here. Thaks again for your willingness to share you ideas.

good idea about the album off of my site on LPSG. give me a few days and I'll post some photos.

charles

[Minuteman]

SydKitty:

OK let me make this a little bit cleaner since it seems that you didn't quite understand "the why" of my reactions that you found to be insulting.

My reaction to this was because of the proposition to be done as the home experiment. Now I'm not talking about our Doctor R here, since he is a Doc and he probably knows what he is doing. My reaction is an opposition to the message that this topic had at its starting point. I mean there are a lot of desperate people with not enough money, and some of them could see that as a "good idea".

What i'm talking about is this:

From the description of the process, it sounds like something one could experiment with at home. Would just need to modify your salad spinner into a centrifuge (How to Turn Your Salad Spinner into a Medical Centrifuge - Planet Green) and order some syringes along with vials and the calcium compound the guy uses. I'd love to try home experiments...

This is wrong, as it sends a very dangerous message, and we all know that there are people that will actually try that. My reaction was solely based on that. In that sight every word of my first post in this topic was on the SPOT, in other words:

PEOPLE WITH NO MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE SHOULD NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. Don't think i'm right? Then ask Dr R here, and you will probably get the same answer. And it would not be a good word to him if some medical n00b would try that and then spread the word that his injection didn't work or even proven fatal. THAT IS THE POINT OF MY FIRST POST.

As for my second post, in case you didn't notice i was alluding to a fact that you would tried this if you got the money, in other words to the absurdity of your statement, and the confirmation of my point.

Now as for this injection itself handled by somebody who has some med rep I am personally against that, but if somebody has money to spare then let him throw the money away, i mean it has been dumped on a lot more ridiculous stuff.

But imagine some desperate folk who pulls much of his ressuorces to get a 1900 shot, and nothing happens, what then. Would it not be smarter to try to enlarge it naturally and not always looking for shortcuts in life. People forget that it is not just the goal that counts it the road to get there.

And when a wife won't tell her husband that his dick is to small, honestly it is more or less a job for marriage counselor, because if i learned one thing form the girls of this forum that is the fact that man is not just a penis, and that the perception of that penis depends much of how much does she loves he. Not to mention that there are ways to please a woman that doesn't always involve the dick.

Not to mention that most men don't have enough of the PE education, and i can bet that most of them with just kegels and the Jpop routine would gain at least one inch, mostly because their erections aren't as hard because of the depressions, it is a vicious cycle, in that logic the shot can also act as a placebo (I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS) that in return helps the patient to regain his confidence that in return grants him better erections, it is a vicious cycle, that one is

And yes my ego is the size of a closest universe

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Now I would be disrespectful if I didn't say anything to DR R, so here it goes:

I respect the fact that you chose to "talk to the people" it is a very good and I hope a honest move, it will do you good in the long run. I hope you didn't find my actions too disrespectful since you age close as my parents so i know that you have been trough life twice as long time as me. It is a matter of my personal opinion that i find all this chem to be a bad thing. Now I know nothing of medicine so i will not venture into it because it would be disrespectful (again) to your profession.

But it is my firm belief that one should try the natural more safer (this is debatable i know, but let us presume that the user has this mystical power called common sense) way that might and will last longer but that will let the person in question grow trough the process.

Long story short: I do not approve of this method but will not judge anyone that tries it but with the help of the professional (or in the other words high med rep dude akka doctor).

Now, I hope, my intentions are clear enough.

[SydKitty]

In short, 'means' do not equal money. If I meant money, I would SAY money. A salad spinner and, most notably, medical supplies of that sort are not expensive - I know this from having to take care of and properly inject my mother over the years as her primary caretaker. Regardless of the dangerous message that sent, people are going to experiment on themselves anyway. I've been a part of the PE community since I was 17, that's 7 years. I've observed enough to know that much. Your initial 'reaction' was absurdly over-the-top and inexcusable. You implied I had no common sense, that is an indirect insult. As I stated earlier, anyone with a command of the English language can read that as such. You also constantly imply you are somehow more intelligent by using phrases like ' you don't seem to understand'. Sugar-coating doesn't work on everyone you meet, you know. Not everyone is dull enough to not notice the poison you try to slip into that sugary treat, as it were. Your intentions are not what matter, in this case. Your message, as it is presented, is.

[Batwoman]

Down, boys. All of you. Any more sniping and everyone is going to find themselves on the bench for a week. We will NOT tolerate uncivil behavior here, so please stop poking each other.

[hsarge]

Please don't shut down this thread, BW. I'm interested in more comments by the Doctor.

[Jay48]

My God. Combined with PE exercises to induce the "healing" process, this sounds like some sort of miracle. My only concern is if it's permanent or not. On the website it says that it lasts at least 18 months, or more, or permanently. Well, is it 18 months, more, or forever? Quite vague. This does seem incredible, though. This might be the godsend we've all been waiting for. It's comforting that the Doctor has posted on this thread, and i'm praying he isn't just a very clever con artist. Extremely eager to learn more about this. Also, wouldn't multiple procedures cause successive growth? I'm almost certain that stem cell research will soon eliminate penis size problems forever.

[crayrobs1]

Perhaps it is time for everyone to take a deep breath and think all of this through.

What has been presented here is an experimental approach to penis enlargement. It is based on medical theory and treatments not yet approved of in this country. That in and of itself does not make this approach "good" or "bad", just EXPERIMENTAL. As a physician, I understand the need for trials and long-term follow-up for treatment outcomes, and as of yet, none of that is available for any of us to make a reasonable judgement on Dr. Runels' procedure. In fact, reading through his threads, I believe he would agree with that statement. It appears that there is much to be learned about this process, its outcomes and side effects, before one would want to make a decision to proceed with it.

One can, of course, apply a similar argument to "natural" penis enlargement - or perhaps I could better call it penis enlargement by external forces (PEEF - yet another acronymn!). There is little medical evidence that it works. However, what we have with PEEF that we don't have with Dr. Runels' approach is thousands upon thousands of men who have successfully enlarged their penis using PEEF without untoward side effects. The anticipated injuries and side effects of PEEF are well known and addressed, and proper ways to perform PEEF are available to insure positive outcomes and reduce injuries. Certainly it is a much safer form of PE with a long history of positive results.

Experimental procedures are best left to those scientists and doctors who are trained to do them. I would strongly discouarge anyone on this forum from trying to duplicate Dr. Runels procedure as I fear the outcome could be serious if not life-threatening.

On a personal note, the peGym is an awesome forum, and I'm very honored to be a member. I have always been impressed how carefully the moderators have prevented the Gym from becoming a forum to push or promote products or services. I would simply ask that this thread (or any other thread for that matter) avoid becoming an advertisement as I believe it would affect the credibility of the pegym.

With all respect to Dr Runel, I hope your research proves to be effective and safe. And once you have a significant number of successes and know the percentages of success and failure, and just as importantly know the injuries and side effects of your procedure, then please return and share that information with us.

[CUSP82]

This forum will not become a place where anyone will push or promote products nor will it become a forum to lead those who may not know any better to try something that may lead to injury or disaster.It will be more than happy to discuss medically accepted procedures and even theoretically discuss medical options that may be available in the future.Be sure that none of us should cross that line.
As for the other parts of this thread, all members are to be respected as equals and should be treated as such.Personally I feel some of the stuff said on this thread has been downright degrading to other members. That will cease .It is wrong. You children want to spoil a good thing by acting like children then keep acting like children!

[DrRunels]

Perhaps it is time for everyone to take a deep breath and think all of this through.

What has been presented here is an experimental approach to penis enlargement. It is based on medical theory and treatments not yet approved of in this country. That in and of itself does not make this approach "good" or "bad", just EXPERIMENTAL. As a physician, I understand the need for trials and long-term follow-up for treatment outcomes, and as of yet, none of that is available for any of us to make a reasonable judgement on Dr. Runels' procedure. In fact, reading through his threads, I believe he would agree with that statement. It appears that there is much to be learned about this process, its outcomes and side effects, before one would want to make a decision to proceed with it.

One can, of course, apply a similar argument to "natural" penis enlargement - or perhaps I could better call it penis enlargement by external forces (PEEF - yet another acronymn!). There is little medical evidence that it works. However, what we have with PEEF that we don't have with Dr. Runels' approach is thousands upon thousands of men who have successfully enlarged their penis using PEEF without untoward side effects. The anticipated injuries and side effects of PEEF are well known and addressed, and proper ways to perform PEEF are available to insure positive outcomes and reduce injuries. Certainly it is a much safer form of PE with a long history of positive results.

Experimental procedures are best left to those scientists and doctors who are trained to do them. I would strongly discouarge anyone on this forum from trying to duplicate Dr. Runels procedure as I fear the outcome could be serious if not life-threatening.

On a personal note, the peGym is an awesome forum, and I'm very honored to be a member. I have always been impressed how carefully the moderators have prevented the Gym from becoming a forum to push or promote products or services. I would simply ask that this thread (or any other thread for that matter) avoid becoming an advertisement as I believe it would affect the credibility of the pegym.

With all respect to Dr Runel, I hope your research proves to be effective and safe. And once you have a significant number of successes and know the percentages of success and failure, and just as importantly know the injuries and side effects of your procedure, then please return and share that information with us.

Thank you very much. Well said, and you are right, there's not much more to be said at this point except that when I have more data it will be presented.

And, I salute the mature judgement behind your statement. As you know, most urologist consider PEEF unproven and dangerous, even though we know otherwise. Odd how far behind the research can lag. Believe it or not, you can find scholarly debates as late as the 1980's in the medical literature about whether or not aeorbic exercise is beneficial. George Sheehan was considered somewhat of a quack for suggesting that jogging might help people live longer. The runner's high was denied--(took until the 80s to discover the endorphins being made). And not until the 1980s did the medical literature admit that anabolic steroids make people stronger (they thought it was just water weight).

Point being that you are correct that this whole forum is based on an idea not yet accepted by the medical literature even though thousands of men know it's validity.

I would like to add one very important note: I would agree that there is a long history of positive results with PEEF but we don't know that it is "certainly safer" than what I am proposing since we don't yet have thousand of patients treated with the platelet derived growth factors. The Priapus could prove to be safer than PEEF. We do have over 50,000 people treated with the growth factors in the face with ZERO complications other than bruising. That's difficult to say about any treatment I am aware of including PEEF. So far, I'm seeing the same thing with the penis that has been observed in the face.

It could be that the risk from the PEEF used along with the priapus shot could prove to be more (though still very small) than the priapus shot its self. But, you are absolutely correct, until 50,000 penises are injected (like with the face) we really will not know. I guess the thing that's encouraging to me is that we are actually injecting a substance that is made by the body to cause healing. While with PEEF you could argue shearing forces and micro-injuries actually stimulate small quantities of the same injury-induced growth factors that are produced by the platelets with the Priapus Shot. Even bruising is less than what you would expect because it's a naturally produced healing balm.

I expect that PEEF combined with the Priapus Shot will be as synergistic as weight training combined with anabolic steriods. The verdict is out.

So, all that to say-- that the future looks promising with growth factors used to stimulate stem cells in the penis and it could prove to be safer than any therapy if the data from the face continue with the penis.

Thank you again for the discussion here and for having me here on the forum. Hopefully I've stayed within the bounds. Though I do my own website, I'm not experienced with forums--I just felt obligated to help clarify a few things as best I could. I've been very impressed with the intelligence displayed (even when tempers flare ) and have already studied other threads to great benefit.

Peace & health,

Charles

[hsarge]

Cusp: I hope you will allow Dr. Runels to continue to post. I am interested in the science of the idea. I know it has been successful for repetitive motion injuries. The penis? I have no idea, but I am interested to hear more about it. Its not 'quackery' but this is a new application for existing science that may / may not work. But it isn't a foreign substance; its your own blood products. And I agree it is not a 'do it yourself' project. Viagra was a blood pressure medication that showed an unplanned result for which it is now sold. I would like to keep the communication open. Thank you.