Something too good to be true?

[kakarotto]

Hi,

I am the one who invited Mr Runels to our forum because I knew that it would be great to bring it here! I´m very glad to find you here Dr Runels I am reading more than posting because as many of you knows, english is not my mother language and sometimes it´s quite difficult to express myself.

I hope great success to Mr Runels and his procedure because we can all can get something good

Regards

[CUSP82]

I have no interest in closing down any posts. That's not what we're here for.I do get concerned when we treat other members rudely and that I was trying to head that off.We also have to look at the moral reponsibility of what we post.Theoretical discussions are great; looking for patients is not.( I know he is not trying to do that but it is a concern).Also the procedure that he speaks of is years away;much has to be done before it is proven safe and medically acceptable.In a sense we have all been told of a wonderful Christmas present that we can't open for years.For most of us that is all well and good; we can wait.For others some will try or make their own variation of what the guy proposes and they will get hurt! If you leave a loaded gun around children sooner or later a child will pick it up.I hold the grownup reponsible morally for leaving the gun amongst children. One thing I have learned over the years on forums such as these is that when it comes to dick size many of us act like children! With the advent of the internet and the ease of getting drugs without prescriptions or medical knowledge ( see the chem pe section) someone will try something.A good physcian must know his patients before he treats them;they can never safely treat a stranger.Maybe we should spend more time here to get to know the "patients' here!

[Batwoman]

Female perspective here: unless a guy is so small that normal sex is impossible (e.g. under 3 inches), I think he would be INSANE to inject anything into his penis just to get larger. For me, doing something like that shows such poor judgement as to be an absolute deal-breaker. I would never want a relationship with a guy like that.

[kakarotto]

Female perspective here: unless a guy is so small that normal sex is impossible (e.g. under 3 inches), I think he would be INSANE to inject anything into his penis just to get larger. For me, doing something like that shows such poor judgement as to be an absolute deal-breaker. I would never want a relationship with a guy like that.

I really respect your opinion but I don´t agree with it. Many women gets a boob job (without really needing it also) and nowadays it´s something considered relatively "normal". I just won´t disrespect a person for that reason nor I won´t avoid a relationship with a girl that has get a boob job if I really like her as a person.

I´m not small, not even average regarding length where I´m somewhat "big" but if the method of Dr Runels proves to be safe and effective I would like to get the priapus shot. I´ve poor judgement? Don´t know why or what makes me different from someone that wears a (usually) painful ADS or stretcher in order to get his penis bigger. Have they poor judgement also? What about that people that uses constrictor devices as a clamp or high erection levels exercises in order to increase their girth. Here we´re on a forum where the principal topic is penis enlargement in a safe and health manner and if the procedure of Mr Runels proves it I don´t see why I don´t have to take the chance.

Also it´s not just being bigger, if you´ve read all the information that Dr Runels has provided it seems that it could improve greatly the erection quality of the patient, so it could be a great alternative.

But oh well, I think this is not the topic discussed here :P As a man of science I´m really interested in all the procedure of the Dr Runels

Regards

[DrRunels]

Female perspective here: unless a guy is so small that normal sex is impossible (e.g. under 3 inches), I think he would be INSANE to inject anything into his penis just to get larger. For me, doing something like that shows such poor judgement as to be an absolute deal-breaker. I would never want a relationship with a guy like that.

Of course every person should make determinations about the values of the person they are with. I would like the opportunity to present a few ideas to consider to put your feelings in perspective:

As a cosmetic physician I encounter many ideas and emotions from both sexes. Interestingly, most of the women who have breast implants (and as a physician, I have cared for over 3,000 women doing hormone replacement and talking in detail about their body, body image, and sexuality so I'm not making this up), most will say they are doing it for themselves and not for their husband. They do the procedures (botox, liposuction, breast implants, juvederm) for their own body image.

Interestingly, stats show that eventually most of the women who get breast implants will later leave the man whom they are with when they have the implants done. This procedure, breast implants, seems perfectly OK with most women--even though the breast has less importance to sexual intercourse than does the penis (you can have sex all day long and great fun with a woman who is completely flat chested-the mother of my three sons was a gorgeous woman with A cups-- but it's a little more of a challenge with a man with no penis).

Another interesting statistic (btw), the more wealthy the man, the more likely he is to be excited by a tight bottom and less interested in the breasts.

But, you don't hear many men saying, I would never have a relationship with a woman who has breast implants. I've always had the opinion that if it makes you want to be naked, and it's reasonably safe, go for it!

Yet, there are sometimes very serious infections and even deaths associated with breast implants. Similarly, around 5 or 6 women per year die from liposuction.

Yet, here we have, with the Priapus Shot, a procedure where the substance injected is known to cause HEALING and never a serious reaction with injection in over 50,000 faces--most of them women--and it's not a foreign body (as with breast implants) that may cause infection or even worse (as with some of the silicon implants causing lupus-like diseases).

I wonder how many men would say that I would never marry a woman who would have those collagen and blood-vessel rejuvenating growth factors injected into her face?

Similarly, many of the men who have seen me for hormone replacement sneak to see me for fear of the anger from their wife--even though it's considered perfectly wonderful for a woman to have hormone replacement and women freely talk about and start taking hormones often in their teens (birth control).

I'm surprised with a forum about making the penis grow, there might be such a response about a new idea that is probably just an extension of the physiology of what's already being done. But, again, I know men who will not marry a woman with breast implants, and have no consideration that such implants may help the woman feel better about herself.

On the other hand, I understand the idea of the size of the penis not mattering as much as some might think. I wrote a course called Total Surrender Orgasm with Female Ejaculation and the most important ideas behind that course do NOT involve the penis. The most wonderful sex organ is between the ears and in the soul.

It's also nice to remember that 5 to 10% of women prefer no penis at all because they are homosexual.

Question: So what makes some women angry and prompts some women to respond with much emotion about men making the penis grow and even to drugs like Viagra (of course I'm speaking in general about the women I have interviewed and do not know all the emotions and reasonings behind your response)?

Answer: I think that most women see ideas like Viagra and penis enlargement to be ideas that stress the dominance and the mechanics of "TAKING" a woman physically when what is desired is usually a "RECEIVING" of a treasure (her sexuality) from the man's place of love, understanding, acceptance, and emotional and physical strength.

How many men on this forum I wonder hide their PE exercises from their lover--especially in the beginning? Why?

It would probably surprise most women to know that almost all the men who have approached me about hormone replacement or penis growth or help with sexual technique (I had the best selling sex manual on Amazon.com from 2004 until 2008 and get quite a few emails), most of those men have nothing more or less in mind than to find a better way to satisfy and keep close at heart the love of their heart and THE woman they wanted to keep satisfied for life.

On the other hand, there are quite a few men who do have a penis of 3 inches or less. Some who have called my office have NEVER had sex, even though they might be in their 20's because of their fear of the woman's response. If the risk of implants is worth the benefits, then even if PE exercises and the Priapus did sport significant risks (which they do not) one might consider such risks acceptable for the social benefits these men might receive.

Anyway, I respect your opinion, batwoman, just like I respect the opinion of the men who would never marry a woman with breast implants. Still, I'd say, if it makes you healthier (as PE exercises and the Priapus Shot appear to do) and it encourages you to love and care for the person you love and helps you feel better about yourself--why not?

Peace to you, I really do think I understand the emotion behind your post and wish you every good thing. Again, I'm new to the forum idea and don't want to offend you or prompt another volley of flared tempers--but since I do much cosmetic work---and much more for women than for men--I thought it might be useful to expand on the idea you presented.


Charles

[Johndoe]

My first degree is in psychology and his website his designed strictly to make an emotional appeal to hide the lack of clinical research supporting his procedure. He "guarentees" results when there is no conclusive evidence that the procedure even works. Prolotherapy utilizing platelet rich plasma for assisting in the healing of ligaments is still controversial in itself, despite being more conservative and supported by more emperical evidence. PRP therapy requires a long series of injections, not just one shot. What inflammatory changes may the penis experience? How may tissue growth effect the functioning of the copora cavernosa? Members know my reservations regarding particular exercises as I am naturally cautious and skeptical, but I find it absurd that this is being passively marketed on here as a safe and proven procedure.

[tmwstw]

His botox practice and the vampire facial lift look legit though ... Just a though ... DrRunels, you said you actually thought about injecting your own penis at the beginning of the story ... just curious if you did inject yourself when you finally found the right substance? You could be a living proof for all of us ... Hope i'm not pushing this too far.

[crayrobs1]

... but I find it absurd that this is being passively marketed on here as a safe and proven procedure.

I fully agree. This is why I made an appeal earlier for everyone to consider this EXPERIMENTAL. I fear that younger and more impressionable members may somehow think this is without any possible serious complications. Stick with what we know works guys.

And Batwoman makes an interesting point... the personality that would make such a dangerous decision without considering the consequences would be one well to avoid from a relationship standpoint.

Think carefully guys.

[DrRunels]

My first degree is in psychology and his website his designed strictly to make an emotional appeal to hide the lack of clinical research supporting his procedure. He "guarentees" results when there is no conclusive evidence that the procedure even works. Prolotherapy utilizing platelet rich plasma for assisting in the healing of ligaments is still controversial in itself, despite being more conservative and supported by more emperical evidence. PRP therapy requires a long series of injections, not just one shot. What inflammatory changes may the penis experience? How may tissue growth effect the functioning of the copora cavernosa? Members know my reservations regarding particular exercises as I am naturally cautious and skeptical, but I find it absurd that this is being passively marketed on here as a safe and proven procedure.

Hello Johndoe,

Whew! This is a smart group and I'm grateful for the mental workout, but I'm starting to feel much like Linda Carter--remember? As a kid, I loved watching her do the old bullets and bracelets thing where people would shoot at her and she would deflect the bullets with her bracelets.

But, the discussion does make me think more deeply about how this will be perceived when all the research is done and patents etc and I do roll it out.

First the passive marketing: I've already TURNED DOWN two people who contacted me for the Priapus Shot because of this forum. If you read above, I made the web page for my patients to inform them of what I was doing, I posted no ads, no google click ads, no forums, nothing. That page was made for people with whom I already had a relationship, most of whom I have already helped in some way.

I didn't guarantee results to my patients, I guaranteed that if they didn't get satisfactory results that I'll make it up to them with refund or another injection or whatever they want (which is more than any other cosmetic doctor I know of does; what you get with most is what you get).

Also, there IS research posted on the page, but there is much much more available on-line. Just google platelet rich fibrin matrix, or go to MDConsult.com (my favorite for real research) and study the use of stem cells and blood derived growth factors. You couldn't read everything there in a month.

As for the emotional response, I've found that Chaucer was correct; "a good message is lost without a good story." Even Christ refused to teach without telling stories. It's how we learn and I make no apology for using stories to help people understand--few can stomach a page of medical literature without a story to enlighten the numbers.

Also, and most importantly to the present discussion (which I'm judging by the title should be limited mostly to scientific ideas and new research), prolo-therapy is an example of the EXACT OPPOSITE strategy than the Priapus Shot and has not involved the use of platelet rich plasma Prolotherapy uses various agents to CAUSE INFLAMMATION--usually just sugar water of high osmolality. Then the inflammatory response causes an influx of reactions that cause strengthening of tendons and joints and can help with back pain and joint injuries. Prolo-therapy often hurts like crazy because you're essentially causing inflammation and a sort of scarring of the tendons. Now some of the physicians who have used these irritating agents in the past are starting to switch over to using the platelet derived growth factors but that is not prolotherapy.

Here's a quote from Prolotherpy.com--"Prolotherapy uses a dextrose (sugar water) solution, which is injected into the ligament or tendon where it attaches to the bone. This causes a localized inflammation in these weak areas which then increases the blood supply and flow of nutrients and stimulates the tissue to repair itself."

So, Prolotherapy is less conservative than the Priapus shot because it IS causing fibrosis. PLEASE DO NOT INJECT SUGAR WATER INTO YOUR PENIS--YOU WILL GET FIBROSIS. I really felt obligated to clear this up because confusing prolotherapy with the Priapus Shot could cause some serious consequences for the do-it-your-selfers.

With the Priapus Shot--the exact opposite happens. With Platelet derived growth factors as they've been used in the face and in joints, there is NO inflammatory response. You create the hormones of healing and there has NEVER been fibrosis. It's even used to treat and correct scarring. And, even the pH is the same as blood so there's not even the pain that comes from injecting something of an acidic nature like many medicines (for example lidocaine).

I even saw one study where these growth factors injected in the body led to a decrease in some of the markers for lupus (so there is an overall attenuation of the inflammatory response).

This really is fascinating research and there is ton's of it out there, I just put 4 of the most relevant papers on my website for my readers to see. According to Alexa, the average visitor to my website, and my average patient is 45-55 year old person with some sort of graduate school education--so most of my patients do look for research--and I supplied it.

I guess I could have ignored that my ideas were being discussed on this forum, but when I learned of the discussion, I decided to participate spend some time answering questions. Should I have simply ignored the discussion?

These are very challenging questions and I'm grateful to you and to the others. I always considered criticism sort of like lifting weights at the gym, hurts some but it makes you better--so I really am grateful and your comments testify to a mature judgement and an educated understanding of both psychology and research---but,whew! maybe you guys could let me rest for a while--bullets and bracelets is getting a little tiring.

Peace & health,

Charles

[DrRunels]

His botox practice and the vampire facial lift look legit though ... Just a though ... DrRunels, you said you actually thought about injecting your own penis at the beginning of the story ... just curious if you did inject yourself when you finally found the right substance? You could be a living proof for all of us ... Hope i'm not pushing this too far.

Willliam Olser (started internal medicine and Johns Hopkins and wrote the internal medicine text book of his day) told his students, "If I ask this group how long it takes a finger-nail to grow, there will be 3 different responses."

1. some of you won't give it second thought.
2. some of you will look it up in a book.
3. but some of you will take a silver nitrate stick, make a mark on your fingernail, and then see how fast it grows.

OOPs, I did it again! Another story, just can't help myself. But...

*Before I did Botox, I had it done to myself. I continue to keep my Botox up-to-date by doing it to myself.
*Before I ever recommended any diet to a patient, I lived the diet (and others that I did not recommend, even thought I"m not overweight). I've done Atkins, and the Zone, and South Beach, and fasted, and of course did all of the diets I designed.
*Before I recommended hormone replacement, I did it.
*Before I prescribed the Golytely that cleans out the bowels of a patient before having a colonoscopy--I did it--and I was not going to have a colonoscopy.
*Before I wrote my own book on Penis enlargement, I tried the exercises and the pumps and interviewed my patients.
*Before I recommended any exercise program, I did it (and have done marathons and tiriathalons and weight training)
*Before I recommended meditation, I studied it for years.
*And yes, before I recommended the Priapus Shot, I handed the video camera to my lover, told her we were about to either have a good time or she needed to buy a new vibrator , and I did it.

We had a good time.