The Collagen Thread

[Big Al]

Low dose E works well for a youthful appearance and I've noticed that my flaccid stretch is better. My eq dropped with dutasteride, but that is easily fixed with edging. The only downside is that my fat pad increased and I don't care because the orgasm is soooo much better. Testosterone is way overrated!

"E"- Vitamin E?

[SuperDude]

Knox gelatin is touted as a high quality and reliable brand of collagen

I have been using NOW Beef Gelatin in capsule form and it has helped my joints out so much.

[mw65]

So I got a couple free containers of a powdered collagen from work as i work at a supplement shop I'm going to be taking it just for all the health benefits that come along with taking a college product. I will be watching to see if it does in fact have any benefits for my pe program. I read earlier on in this thread that some guys have tried it and thought that it was helping so I guess I will be the new guinea pig
The product I will be using is progressive's complete collagen it is a type 1 & 2 hydrolyzed collegen with 10 grams per serving I am doing a serving in the morning and one right before bed as well will keep everyone posted on what I find

[Big Al]

So I got a couple free containers of a powdered collagen from work as i work at a supplement shop I'm going to be taking it just for all the health benefits that come along with taking a college product. I will be watching to see if it does in fact have any benefits for my pe program. I read earlier on in this thread that some guys have tried it and thought that it was helping so I guess I will be the new guinea pig
The product I will be using is progressive's complete collagen it is a type 1 & 2 hydrolyzed collegen with 10 grams per serving I am doing a serving in the morning and one right before bed as well will keep everyone posted on what I find

An interesting side effect one client mentioned of using gelatin based supplements was an increase in the frequency of "wet dreams". Their hair and nails also became stronger and shinier.

[mw65]

An interesting side effect one client mentioned of using gelatin based supplements was an increase in the frequency of "wet dreams". Their hair and nails also became stronger and shinier.

That's good to know the product I am using also has added tryptophan so it really helps with sleep. I never usually dream but the last couple nights I have after taking it. The main reason I'm taking it is for the amino acid glycine though.

[WalkThePlank]

"E"- Vitamin E?

Lol.
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Also not too sure how someone would see results from hydrolyzed collagen II, as your body can't do anything with it. You'd need undenatured collagen for it to ever be processed.

type II chicken collagen found in dietary supplements is denatured or hydrolized, which means that high heat and/or chemicals have been used to process it. These processes fundamentally alter the molecular structure of the protein, rendering the collagen ineffective as an immunomodulator. There are no peer-reviewed scientific studies showing that denatured type II collagen provides any joint health benefits. And in fact one study states, “denatured type II collagen has no observable effect on the incidence and severity of the disease [arthritis].”(7)

Undenatured type II collagen is made using little or no heat and very limited processing - just enough to concentrate the collagen and make it soluble. The UC·II manufacturing process ensures that the collagen remains biologically active in its most native, triple helix form, with its immunomodulating ability intact.

Nothing would prevent hydrolyzed collagen from having a placebo effect, however. So it can of course have its use, provided belief in it is strong enough.

[Big Al]

Lol.
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Also not too sure how someone would see results from hydrolyzed collagen II, as your body can't do anything with it. You'd need undenatured collagen for it to ever be processed.

Nothing would prevent hydrolyzed collagen from having a placebo effect, however. So it can of course have its use, provided belief in it is strong enough.

Undenatured collagen has excellent benefits, but beef gelatin and the like in relative low doses (not as a protein replacement supplement) can have positive effects- especially when combined with Vitamin C. If not useful as an immunomodulator the amino acid profile is still of benefit.

In my own case there's also been a difference in things like hair and nail luster- something not attributable to the placebo effect. Digestion has been better too- another attribute of this supplement.

Taking Boswellia Extract too- it has helped as well.

Of interest: Collagen supplementation as a complementary therapy for the prevention and treatment of osteoporosis and osteoarthritis: a systematic review

[WalkThePlank]

Undenatured collagen has excellent benefits, but beef gelatin and the like in relative low doses (not as a protein replacement supplement) can have positive effects- especially when combined with Vitamin C. If not useful as an immunomodulator the amino acid profile is still of benefit.

In my own case there's also been a difference in things like hair and nail luster- something not attributable to the placebo effect. Digestion has been better too- another attribute of this supplement.

Of interest: Collagen supplementation as a complementary therapy for the prevention and treatment of osteoporosis and osteoarthritis: a systematic review

Reading over the study all I see examined is hydrolyzed collagen, examining Type I, not Type II. Your body can absorb and use Type I and (I believe) type 3 in hydrolyzed form without issue.

In connective tissue, type I collagen ortropocollagen is the most abundant, and a sourceof partially hydrolyzed collagen (gelatin) andcollagen hydrolysate. The difference betweenthe collagen hydrolysate and gelatin is that thecollagen hydrolysate is dissolved in water or brinethus making its digestion and absorption easier,allowing the production of collagen by the bodyfrom the free amino acids.20 The most importantfeature of collagen hydrolysate is the prevalence ofglycine and proline in its composition. These aminoacids are essential for the stability and regenerationof cartilage.

According to Takeda et al.,25 type I collagenrepresents 25% of the total body protein and 80%of connective tissue in humans. The synthesis oftype I collagen also plays an important role inosteoblast differentiation, enhancing bone mineraldensity, bone mineral content and increasing theamount of type I collagen in the bone matrix.

I agree that gelatins can have a benefit. Especially for older people(sort of like DHEA). I was commenting on denatured Type II collagen supplements(which is the default for Type II unless it specifies undenatured). To my knowledge standard type II supplements do not actually offer any benefit.

[Big Al]

I'm an older guy now so I'm probably realizing a greater benefit from it than I would have been if I were taking it in my youth

[DarkMedic]

If not useful as an immunomodulator the amino acid profile is still of benefit.

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