Increase Androgen receptors to help recovery

[phallic1]

So basically maintaining an erection and flooding the penis with testosterone and eventually DHT could possibly be the key to gains?

Depends on what type of gains. I believe the penis can be enlarged in different ways. Not all being equal.

Mechanical enlargement due to heavy stretching for example is not the same as hormonally stimulated growth. Light force traction for extended periods effects the tissues differently again resulting in transformation of the penis.

I feel some methods that do increase the size of the penis are not healthy in the long run...to each their own.

[wanthis]

Depends on what type of gains. I believe the penis can be enlarged in different ways. Not all being equal.

Mechanical enlargement due to heavy stretching for example is not the same as hormonally stimulated growth. Light force traction for extended periods effects the tissues differently again resulting in transformation of the penis.

I feel some methods that do increase the size of the penis are not healthy in the long run...to each their own.

Wait this really just sparked my interest. So you're saying there are different ways of enlargement even within the scope of manual exercises?

So what do you think is not healthy or healthy for the penis?

P.S: you don't have to explain everything in detail or anything if you don't want to. Just tell me what I should look up/ give me a starting point, and I can do the research myself.

[Jackxxx]

So basically maintaining an erection and flooding the penis with testosterone and eventually DHT could possibly be the key to gains?

Yea i did not know that Lysine was precursor to carnitine. Allysine a is derivative of lysine which helps with the production of collagen. So supplementing with lysine is more beneficial than supplementing with carnitine.

Wait.. I though L-Citrulline was a by-product of L-arginine and L-ornithine?

You can only do so much with natural supplements. Your limiting factor will always be the same: Genetics. And the only way to surpass the genetic limit, is chemicals. Same as bodybuilder. There is no such thing as natural bodybuilding. Of course there are a few really natural but they are dipsticks. Naturally your body is genetically designed in a different way.

[Pegasus]

Ah the bodybuilding view on natural training out in the open and it took Jackxxx to do it.

[adversity2excellence]

Do you think that sleeping well below the recommended hours for a teen (7 hours every night instead of 9, on school days and slightly more say 8 hours on weekends) would that have any affect on the ultimate penile size reached?

It means less erections while asleep which means less DHT being carried to the penis, and less androgen receptor denisity.

Of course we all fapped a lot, but then that benefit of the boner is outdone by the loss of androgen receptors after ejaculation (though i think you lose AR in the brain not the penis after ejaculating)

[Big Al]

Androgen receptors in the penis downregulate after puberty, so a method to get them going again would be of benefit

[adversity2excellence]

We all know that they down regulate but what is the cause of the downregulation. Is it that all the receptors have been hit by DHT and there are none left to activate/engage in further tissue growth?

You're missing the point, my question is, would sleeping 7 hours on average every night all thourghout puberty from ages 11-18 have any affect whatsoever, however minimal, whether a 1/4 inch or 1/10 inch in length?

Or is growth just going to take slightly longer, and androgen receptors therefore take slightly longer to downregulate, because of the slightly slower growth velocity one might expect from sleeping 2 hours less than the reccommended.

[Big Al]

We all know that they down regulate but what is the cause of the downregulation. Is it that all the receptors have been hit by DHT and there are none left to activate/engage in further tissue growth?

You're missing the point, my question is, would sleeping 7 hours on average every night all thourghout puberty from ages 11-18 have any affect whatsoever, however minimal, whether a 1/4 inch or 1/10 inch in length?

Or is growth just going to take slightly longer, and androgen receptors therefore take slightly longer to downregulate, because of the slightly slower growth velocity one might expect from sleeping 2 hours less than the reccommended.

To be thorough the "downregulation" statement isn't universally agreed upon by scientists. There are reported cases of older men applying androgen gels directly to their penises and reporting gains. Whether or not this is due to improved EQ or something else remains to be seen.

As for your question, in order to have a definite answer you'd need a control to make a comparison with. Noting the effect of different sleep patterns in young identical twins involved would be optimal since they'd share genetic predispositions. The challenge: no ethical scientist would deliberately conduct this type of long term experiment on growing humans. The data would have to have been gathered after the fact.

[adversity2excellence]

To be thorough the "downregulation" statement isn't universally agreed upon by scientists. There are reported cases of older men applying androgen gels directly to their penises and reporting gains. Whether or not this is due to improved EQ or something else remains to be seen.

As for your question, in order to have a definite answer you'd need a control to make a comparison with. Noting the effect of different sleep patterns in young identical twins involved would be optimal since they'd share genetic predispositions. The challenge: no ethical scientist would deliberately conduct this type of long term experiment on growing humans. The data would have to have been gathered after the fact.

Yes it would be unethical. Potentially exaggerating the sleep difference between two male twin rats might even work, but I am not about to do that and I don't think any scientific institution or university would either, although it would certainly be not too hard an experiment and useful if a lot of parameters are measured, not just penis size.

I've seen a study where human fetal penises are grafted onto kidneys, and then test is applied in different amounts. AR denisty is the same in all. The normal and super testosterone samples vary in size only slightly, but then again I beleive it was a massive difference in test and it resulted in only a minimal difference (not 1:1 correlation) in size, but this still doesn't control for ''less sleep''


Anyway, definite answer aside, what is your gut feel, intution, your scientific opinion on that hypothesis "Less sleep in your growing teen years (7.5 hours on average from 11-18 instead of the reccommended 9) having any direct correlation to penis size growth/geneitc potential being reached.

What sort of losses would you expect and what's the correlation factor (0.5 x for every unit of time over growth lost)

[Big Al]

Yes it would be unethical. Potentially exaggerating the sleep difference between two male twin rats might even work, but I am not about to do that and I don't think any scientific institution or university would either, although it would certainly be not too hard an experiment and useful if a lot of parameters are measured, not just penis size.

I've seen a study where human fetal penises are grafted onto kidneys, and then test is applied in different amounts. AR denisty is the same in all. The normal and super testosterone samples vary in size only slightly, but then again I beleive it was a massive difference in test and it resulted in only a minimal difference (not 1:1 correlation) in size, but this still doesn't control for ''less sleep''


Anyway, definite answer aside, what is your gut feel, intution, your scientific opinion on that hypothesis "Less sleep in your growing teen years (7.5 hours on average from 11-18 instead of the reccommended 9) having any direct correlation to penis size growth/geneitc potential being reached.

What sort of losses would you expect and what's the correlation factor (0.5 x for every unit of time over growth lost)

I wouldn't hazard a guess but serious sleep deprivation would likely have some negative effect. You'd have to be talking about sustained sleep deprivation for long periods of time. People can accrue sleep deficit and "pay it off" later. Another factor to take into account is not everyone requires the same amount of sleep.

The following study might have some information for you- if not exact details: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4852310