Unrealistic Growth Claims

[scientificapproach Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close scientificapproach]

OK I had to vent here. Nothing annoys me so much as when I hear claims made by sites promoting totally unrealistic and fast gains.

I was just browsing and found a site (I won't name it, in a way there are so many of this type it would be pointless anyway) which said; 4 inches is a bit unrealistic initially, better to realistically expect 3 inches or so in about 6 months!!

In my opinion anyone who gains 1 inch in a year is doing great. 2 inches in a year or less is amazing. 3 inches in 6 months has got to be EXTREAMLY rare, I won't say impossible, but to promote it as the norm and what everyone should expect it wrong in my opinion!

It just annoys me that many people will make claims like this to prey on peoples hopes and dreams. I think it would be far better if people expected PE to be a long slow process. Anything quick is a bonus! I believe its claims like this which cause people to say PE does not work because they didn't get there 3 inches over night!

[Hairtrigger Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hairtrigger]

I am happy to be in the 1 inch in a year club, I would also think I am as bout as normal as anyone can get. Those people promising big gains along with the claims of injury brought on by improper advice and techniques really hurts PE, doing research before starting any program will tell you everything you need to know about what to really expect.

[Dustpan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dustpan]

I am happy to be in the 1 inch in a year club, I would also think I am as bout as normal as anyone can get. Those people promising big gains along with the claims of injury brought on by improper advice and techniques really hurts PE, doing research before starting any program will tell you everything you need to know about what to really expect.

Hair Trigger,

Congratulation on reaching the 1 inch in a year

[remek Founder Find all posts View Profile Close remek]

Part of me believes these companies can't be serious. They have to know the stuff their selling sounds bogus (hell, I recall reading a claim one time of up 5 inches in 5 weeks with 5 minutes a day or less).

The other part of me knows what the companies are really doing -- trying to market (and rip people off with) their product to misinformed men. They're following the old adage, "tell them what they want to hear" instead of "tell them the truth." I think you hit the nail on the head, SA. Claims like this is why many believe PE doesn't work.

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

I grew 2.5" in under 6 months. Most of my gains came in the first 6 months. For the first two months no growth at all. Then wham! Now about an inch of my growth is actual grow back. When you have ED for a long period of time you lose your length and girth. So I attribute about an inch to growback. Im approaching the 3" mark this year.

The key to faster gains i do believe is slow 5-8 second jelqs.
A lite grip with a very low erection level around 40%.
A long warm up period, better yet heat during the exercise is very benificial.
A stretching routine that goes in all directions in the clock and las tlonger than ten minutes.
Men with ED grow faster then any other group im afraid to say. But if you can simulate partial erection and keep it in the magic jelly state during the jelqing Period you will get fast length and girth gains during the newb phase.

Change your routine every 4 weeks after newb gains have stopped. Variety after the newb wares off is the key to albeit slower but steady gains there after the newb wares off.

I had ED when I started PE I was lucky to get it up to 50% during a jelqing session. So for you guys who have difficulty rising to 50% erect this may mean you will grow faster!
For those who get fully erect from jelqing stop and rest the penis apply heat while it is 100% erect let it subside to 40% then proceed to jelq.

I could not use the OK grip my thumbs were always sore. so i came up weith a grip that coincedently is exactly like the "V" grip.

There you have it!

Fast growers that i have talked to that had partial Ed to comeplete ed could not gett up 50% erect.

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

Hair Trigger

Congratulation on reaching the 1 inch in a year

A question for Dustpan?

How fast did you make your intial gains? We are of simular size and I was wondering if you had ED when you began PE?

[Dustpan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dustpan]

Kingpole,

I have had ED for the past 8 years every since I had a back injury on January 14, 2000 from work and there after I was having problems having sex with my wife, so I want on Viagra to help. From July 15, 2005 until December 12, 2005 I had gained 1 3/4 inches in length.

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

Kingpole,

I have had ED for the past 8 years every since I had a back injury on January 14, 2000 from work and there after I was having problems having sex with my wife, so I want on Viagra to help. From July 15, 2005 until December 12, 2005 I had gained 1 3/4 inches in length.

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[scientificapproach Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close scientificapproach]

Hairtrigger: Conrats on your joining the 1 inch a year club, thats great!

Remek: Wow, 5 inches in 5 weeks has got to be one of the biggest claims I have ever heard of. One thing which really annoys me is the "size calculators" you see on extender sites. You just type in your current size and how long you intend to wear it for and boom...you see a nice new big number. I have researched afew extender forums and seen posts from guys who have worn extenders for about 8 hours everyday and still only seen half an inchs growth in a year. I am pretty sure those calculators are way off. In body building there is now much more understanding about the individuality of results. Not everyone has the genetics and body somatatype to make fast gains. I am pretty sure PE is probably the same, no two penis's will react exactly the same to the same stimulus, therefore results cannot be so standardised. I think what really confuses people out there who don't know much about PE is that most of western medicine seems still to disagree with PE, as there have been so few scientific trails, I myself was told by two doctors afew years ago there was nothing but surgery to increase my size. Then on the other extreme we have PE scamers claiming unrealstic gains in weeks/months...most sane people go with the doctors view that PE is a crock! Lets hope things change.

Kingpole: Your gains have been phenomenal, big congratulations. Interesting thoughts on grow back after ED, could exlain how some people do grow so fast. Do you know of many others who grew as fast as you? I can only really think of one other...DLD, think he gained 2 inchs in about 5 months, I think even Bibs first 2 inchs took closer to a year than 6 months.

[jordan485 Member Find all posts View Profile Close jordan485]

its sites like these that kill pe's rep and cause err body to think growth is junk

im glad though here on these forums no one talks shit about massive gains in short peroids,

lol seriously how can one gain 4 inches just by takin a pill?

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

its sites like these that kill pe's rep and cause err body to think growth is junk

im glad though here on these forums no one talks shit about massive gains in short peroids,

lol seriously how can one gain 4 inches just by takin a pill?

Unless they had really bad EQ, maybe, i don't know.

[scientificapproach Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close scientificapproach]

its sites like these that kill pe's rep and cause err body to think growth is junk

im glad though here on these forums no one talks shit about massive gains in short peroids,

lol seriously how can one gain 4 inches just by takin a pill?

I like to view PE as stimulating new growth, and giving new cells time to grow. I don't think there is a pill which can stimulate new growth in the penis?! I may be wrong but I seriously doubt it. I think pills tend to focus on forcing more blood into the penis. I suppose this could possible result in growth?! Either way I have never taken a penis pill and never intend too. I think pills really do prey on the "quick fix" attitude that many of us have burried within us. As the saying goes "Rome wasn't built in a day". Was it Tom Hubbard who coined this phrase for PE? Very apt!!

[WiddleWade Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close WiddleWade]

Seeing Kingpole and Dustpan's results, it would seem (obviously i guess) that better results can be seen when jelqing/exercising with an erection less than 50%. I think that is logical, considering that you're not forcing much blood flow (nor breaking much tissue) if you're at 60-70%.

Do you guys think that masturbating before jelqing, in oder to keep the erection level down, would help? I know that some people don't suggest doing it after a session.

[scientificapproach Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close scientificapproach]

Widdlewade: I guess that if you struggle to keep your erection down then masturbation prior to jelqing may help. I personally prefer if anything to masturbate afterwards as it seems to help keep me plump. Yes, many people believe that lower erection levels when jelqing are they way forward. I agree, I think breaking up TOO much tissue and causing too much trauma could well be a negative thing!

[Going411x7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Going411x7]

I hate these claims by the other sites. It's like the claims of the porno people. It's all bull shit. I grew fast when I first started, but I was also suffering from E.D., much like Kingpole. I know DLD at MOS was also suffering from E.D.when he made his fast gains. I know this is all anecdotal, but then most of the claims in the P.E. world are anecdotal. Some people's claims, however, are just a lot more believable, and supported by LEGITIMATE picture proof, than others.

In the final analysis, though, only WE know what we've gained, and let's face it, it is OUR dick and OUR life. The focus should always be on our own dick.