Warm-up rebuttal

[not2big]

I use a rice sock most every night while using my extender. I have never measured its temperature, but after one minute in the microwave, it is almost too hot to hold and definitely too hot to come into direct contact with the skin of my penis. Accordingly, I need to place a towel between the sock and my penis. I do this for about 20 minutes before it is cooled off enough to be placed directly on my penis, however, it is still quite warm, almost hot, but bearable. It remains very warm for another 20 minutes. After 40 minutes, it becomes Luke warm, but I can still feel some heat, especially if I message the rice periodically for another 10 to 15 minutes.

I know my temperature explanations are somewhat subjective; however, my time references are quite accurate as I am constantly checking the time, hoping its time to release my dick from the extender.

I acknowledge the rice sock is not the most efficient heat producing vehicle, but in my opinion, it's ease of use, portability, and capability of retaining usable heat for 40 to 45 minutes makes it ideal for stealth PE.

When I use my rice sock, I can usually get an additional 1/4 to 1/2 inch stretch as compared to extending without it.

[donjelqer76]

In simple terms:

1. After heating up my cock feels hot to the touch. In fact you can feel the heat radiating off it.
2. I have skipped the warm up before and it resulted in 100s of tiny red spots on my shaft and glans.
3. https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...iotherapy.html

Thanks for the reply. Again, I'm not arguing that heat application isn't helpful, only that most methods I've seen don't do much more than warm up the skin and blood vessels in the skin (which I guess it's helpful in its own right)
I just think that most people using a hot wash cloth or a rice sock for 5-10 minutes aren't quite accomplishing what they think they are.

I think the experiment I'll be doing tonight will shed a lot of light on this one way or the other.

I'm also beginning to think that long durations of heat (measured in hours) after PE would be beneficial

[donjelqer76]

I use a rice sock most every night while using my extender. I have never measured its temperature, but after one minute in the microwave, it is almost too hot to hold and definitely too hot to come into direct contact with the skin of my penis. Accordingly, I need to place a towel between the sock and my penis. I do this for about 20 minutes before it is cooled off enough to be placed directly on my penis, however, it is still quite warm, almost hot, but bearable. It remains very warm for another 20 minutes. After 40 minutes, it becomes Luke warm, but I can still feel some heat, especially if I message the rice periodically for another 10 to 15 minutes.

I know my temperature explanations are somewhat subjective; however, my time references are quite accurate as I am constantly checking the time, hoping its time to release my dick from the extender.

I acknowledge the rice sock is not the most efficient heat producing vehicle, but in my opinion, it's ease of use, portability, and capability of retaining usable heat for 40 to 45 minutes makes it ideal for stealth PE.

When I use my rice sock, I can usually get an additional 1/4 to 1/2 inch stretch as compared to extending without it.

I agree that stretching while heat is applied is extremely beneficial especially over longer periods of time.

This is a different situation than a 10 minute warm-up before stretching though.. if someone takes even 2 minutes to start stretching after warning up, the benefits may already be lost, and that's if they had enough heat energy and time to penetrate all the tissues

[donjelqer76]

Ok guys, I finally finished doing a better experiment, and the results even surprised me a little.
First off, thanks to those that have responded and thank you for not turning this into an argument. Personally, I'd just like to prove (to myself) that warm-ups either work as intended, or don't work as intended - nobody has ever really tried to prove it that I know of.

Also, a few points were made in earlier posts. One had to do with studies on rat tails. While I do believe that heated tissue is more elastic (As studies do show), the rat tail example isn't a great one - a rat tail has very little mass, little blood flow, and a very small cross section. It would be fairly easy to saturate a rat tail with enough heat to reap these benefits. Deeper tissues in the penis (ligaments, smooth muscle and at least half of the tunica) are a totally different situation, and my intent with this experiment is to show just how difficult it is to get heat deeper into the body.

Overview:
This simple experiment is to show how difficult it is to get heat to travel through soft tissues in the body. I believe it is difficult because of:
1) Blood carrying away the heat
2) thermal resistance of the tissues
3) mass that needs to absorb the heat is high compared to most heat sources, especially when the mass of all blood that travels through the area during the time is accounted for.
fasWhat I will do for this experiment is place a heating pad on a pillow, lay face directly on the heating pad, and try to measure any temperature rise on the inside of the cheek, between the cheek and lower gum. My mouth remained completely closed the entire time, and there was absolutely no talking or breathing through the mouth during the experiment. The entire side of my face stayed in full contact with the heating pad through the entire experiment.

Tools:
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/...-33-53_179.jpg
- Heating Pad
- Digital Thermometer
- Pen and paper
- Stop watch (I used an Android stop watch app)

Results:
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/...-34-06_710.jpg

Temperature measurements were taken once every minute for 20 minutes.
The temperature of the heating pad was 110+ degrees. My digital thermometer simply displays "Hi" over 109.9 degrees, so I'm just going to call it 110+ degrees for now, though in actuality it was probably somewhere between 115-120 degrees.
The starting temperature measured between my cheek and gum was 97.7 degrees.

If you look at the image, you will see that over a period of 20 minutes, you will see that after about 5 minutes a slight elevation in temperature occurs, with the maximum elevation in temperature being 0.3 degrees. At about 15 minutes in, you can see that the temperature drops back down a bit and levels off. The explanation is that between the blood carrying the heat away, and heat conducting to surrounding cooler tissues, very little heat is allowed to penetrate very far into the soft tissue. I would also like to point out that at the end of the experiment, my face was hot to the touch, and did feel like it was radiating heat - but this does not mean that heat penetrated very far beneath the skin, as evidenced by the results.


Consider that my cheek is only about 3/8" thick, and I was unable to much of any heat through it at all. Also consider that the penis is much more vascular than my cheek. With this in mind, I still think that with current methods it is nearly impossible (in a 20 minute time frame) to get heat to penetrate deep enough into the tissues of the penis (mainly the parts of the tunica that face the center of the penis, along with the ligaments) to make the standard warm-up beneficial when it comes to aiding in plastic deformation.

I do however think that there is benefit to the skin and capillaries, and as pointed out by others does help when it comes to preventing red spots.

I would be interested in seeing results from others performing the same experiment. With this being a penis forum, surely there is somebody here that would stick a thermometer into the urethra to get an even better experiment (though, the urethra is directly under the skin and may not be a good indicator of how deep heat travels into the tissues)

[Lazy 8]

Take a look at my post on ultrasound devices as a heat source here:https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...tml#post417502

I think ultrasound may be the best option for increasing tissue elasticity and therefore gains.

[donjelqer76]

I agree completely that ultrasound would be a better option. I go to my chiropractor every month and they do ultrasound on my back muscles. It goes without saying, that there wouldn't be a market for ultrasound devices for this purpose if a simple heating pad was able to penetrate into deep tissue.

[donjelqer76]

Just checking to see if anyone can independently verify the results of my experiments

[donjelqer76]

Just bumping this up again to see if anyone can independently reproduce the results I got from the experiment outlined in post #14.

I found the results so shocking that I honestly thought someone would be calling bullshit on me by now! I really think I'm on to something here

[not2big]

I congratulate you on your ambitious experiment; however, I don' believe you are going to find anyone going to rush in to try and contradict you. First, not many of us have heating pads and second, it seems to be a pain in the ass to do.

Be patient and perhaps someone will find time to try and duplicate it, but I would not hold my breath. Not trying to bash you, just want to be honest. In fact, I do find your results interesting.

[donjelqer76]

Thanks for the reply

I'm going to buy an ultrasound device around the first of the year and redo the experiment for comparison.

You are right, I will be patient until someone can verify results. I wouldn't mind seeing the same experiment done with a rice sock in fact.