Warm-up rebuttal

[namsokiek]

Has anyone seen an actual temperature where connective tissue elasticity actually increases? I would imagine it would have to be 103-105 degrees, but I've never seen an actual number

The temperature I found on the rat tail study was 98°F but I couldn't find how long or how much force to use on the stretch. I don't recall what the other studies said...I'll get back.

It appears that it was two references to the same study. However, The Kid has shown some massive gains lately. The part of hie routine which consumes the most time is his 4-6 hrs of edging/day. If this is providing both heat and tension on the tunica necessary for deformation it could indicate that we only need to heat and sustain the tunica at 98°F.

[not2big]

I started an experiment last night involving my extender. I mounted the extender without a warmup, set the tension at 900 gr, and measured from the top of the base to the lower rim of the vacuum cap. I used a rice sock throughout and made adjustments to the bar length every five minutes to maintain tension at 900 gr throughout the session. I figured by measuring the length of the extender, I would be eliminating any errors do to different stretching techniques. The next time i will warm up for ten minutes before mounting the extender and see if the measurements change. Non-warmup measurements were as follows:
Initial measurement 5.37 inches
After 30 minutes. 5.5
After 60 minutes. 5.63
After 90 minutest 5.75

FYI, I am using an X4 with a vacExtender mod attachment with my glans pushed tightly against the vac cap.

[donjelqer76]

The temperature I found on the rat tail study was 98°F

The body's core temperature is already 98 degrees (give or take a little for variance, mine is normally 97.8 or so), so wouldn't this mean that we already meet the criteria and are already "warmed up"?

[donjelqer76]

I did the suggested experiment of comparing my BPFSL, which I did for 2 days in a row now.
My BPFSL doesn't change (at least noticeably) whether I warm up or not. Did anyone else do that experiment?

[XitemeM]

Man, I keep forgetting not to start my stretches after warming up. My before warm up BPFSL is 6.9", after my exercises it is around 7.2", but I don't know what it is yet after warm up and before stretches. A few minutes into my stretches I remember and go Today is an exercise day so.... um... I'll wear my rings on my other hand or something after measuring my pre warm up BPFSL so I'll remember not to wreck the experiment by stretching.

[namsokiek]

The body's core temperature is already 98 degrees (give or take a little for variance, mine is normally 97.8 or so), so wouldn't this mean that we already meet the criteria and are already "warmed up"?

I can't definitively answer that. I've been looking for studies which detail the temp required for deformation, the duration of the long stretches, and the stress applied but no luck.

I have noticed the temp of my penis drops pretty fast between dropping trow and applying heat (unless it's all ready to go). I've also find myself pretty loose and warm during bed fowfers and wearing my silicone sleeve.

I think I'm going to try clamping while adding some heat to see if there is increased expansion.

[RockstarParkingDude]

to the OP:

you're getting spots from squeezes because your penis is not conditioned and warmed up. as much as logic and theory is fun - years of practical experience is much more valuable. if the guy who literally wrote the book about PE says to warm up, i'm probably going to warm up.

as for your logic, you are leaving out way too many variables. mass, time, conductive ability of substances, etc.

i like visuals better than formulas. think of a piece of taffy in the middle of summer, it will stretch for miles. now put it in the fridge for 5 minutes and try to stretch it without making it break.

try a 20 minute warmup with a nice big rice sock before one of your blood pressure based exercises (squeezes, clamping, etc) and tell me for a fact it doesn't make a difference.

[The Kidd]

Ok guys, I finally finished doing a better experiment, and the results even surprised me a little.
First off, thanks to those that have responded and thank you for not turning this into an argument. Personally, I'd just like to prove (to myself) that warm-ups either work as intended, or don't work as intended - nobody has ever really tried to prove it that I know of.

Also, a few points were made in earlier posts. One had to do with studies on rat tails. While I do believe that heated tissue is more elastic (As studies do show), the rat tail example isn't a great one - a rat tail has very little mass, little blood flow, and a very small cross section. It would be fairly easy to saturate a rat tail with enough heat to reap these benefits. Deeper tissues in the penis (ligaments, smooth muscle and at least half of the tunica) are a totally different situation, and my intent with this experiment is to show just how difficult it is to get heat deeper into the body.

Overview:
This simple experiment is to show how difficult it is to get heat to travel through soft tissues in the body. I believe it is difficult because of:
1) Blood carrying away the heat
2) thermal resistance of the tissues
3) mass that needs to absorb the heat is high compared to most heat sources, especially when the mass of all blood that travels through the area during the time is accounted for.
fasWhat I will do for this experiment is place a heating pad on a pillow, lay face directly on the heating pad, and try to measure any temperature rise on the inside of the cheek, between the cheek and lower gum. My mouth remained completely closed the entire time, and there was absolutely no talking or breathing through the mouth during the experiment. The entire side of my face stayed in full contact with the heating pad through the entire experiment.

Tools:
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/...-33-53_179.jpg
- Heating Pad
- Digital Thermometer
- Pen and paper
- Stop watch (I used an Android stop watch app)

Results:
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/...-34-06_710.jpg

Temperature measurements were taken once every minute for 20 minutes.
The temperature of the heating pad was 110+ degrees. My digital thermometer simply displays "Hi" over 109.9 degrees, so I'm just going to call it 110+ degrees for now, though in actuality it was probably somewhere between 115-120 degrees.
The starting temperature measured between my cheek and gum was 97.7 degrees.

If you look at the image, you will see that over a period of 20 minutes, you will see that after about 5 minutes a slight elevation in temperature occurs, with the maximum elevation in temperature being 0.3 degrees. At about 15 minutes in, you can see that the temperature drops back down a bit and levels off. The explanation is that between the blood carrying the heat away, and heat conducting to surrounding cooler tissues, very little heat is allowed to penetrate very far into the soft tissue. I would also like to point out that at the end of the experiment, my face was hot to the touch, and did feel like it was radiating heat - but this does not mean that heat penetrated very far beneath the skin, as evidenced by the results.


Consider that my cheek is only about 3/8" thick, and I was unable to much of any heat through it at all. Also consider that the penis is much more vascular than my cheek. With this in mind, I still think that with current methods it is nearly impossible (in a 20 minute time frame) to get heat to penetrate deep enough into the tissues of the penis (mainly the parts of the tunica that face the center of the penis, along with the ligaments) to make the standard warm-up beneficial when it comes to aiding in plastic deformation.

I do however think that there is benefit to the skin and capillaries, and as pointed out by others does help when it comes to preventing red spots.

I would be interested in seeing results from others performing the same experiment. With this being a penis forum, surely there is somebody here that would stick a thermometer into the urethra to get an even better experiment (though, the urethra is directly under the skin and may not be a good indicator of how deep heat travels into the tissues)

i have a thought. its definitely worth a try. see the heat escapes. your completely right. SO! how do we stop it!! CLAMPING! i ask in the name of science for you to try a little experiment for me: get a size able erection the harden it with a few uli's the apply the clamp. next put a heating pad around the penis. Next take the thermometer and insert it into the tip of the penis. this will tell how the heat transfer is coming and record the temps and time. Willing to give it a shot??

[XitemeM]

i have a thought. its definitely worth a try. see the heat escapes. your completely right. SO! how do we stop it!! CLAMPING! i ask in the name of science for you to try a little experiment for me: get a size able erection the harden it with a few uli's the apply the clamp. next put a heating pad around the penis. Next take the thermometer and insert it into the tip of the penis. this will tell how the heat transfer is coming and record the temps and time. Willing to give it a shot??

Because the blood isn't carrying it away? Hmm interesting. I still think there is very little blood flow in the flaccid state though, but I haven't been able to find a source that quantifies it.

[The Kidd]

Because the blood isn't carrying it away? Hmm interesting. I still think there is very little blood flow in the flaccid state though, but I haven't been able to find a source that quantifies it.

internally speaking there is very VERY little. however this differs GREATLY based on whether you are a shower or grower. when im a shower in flaccid state there is abviously quite a bit. but in a grower state it is cold, therefore..little to no bloodflow.