Guys, what are the potential causes of slow length gain?

[ColtAR-15]

Good luck to you, hopefully if you don't see any gains you keep PEing manually a little bit to keep your gains and keep you willy healthy.

Thanks. Hopefully I won't loose that .25" but I think it has been long enough that it is "cemented". On my break I will try not to do any PE in hopes that a good deconditioning period will help if I attempt it again. The frustration and the feeling of having failed has been the biggest monkey on my back and to be honest I wish I had never even attempted this stuff.

[Alshia]

@amiok:

There is a need to consider things that can be changed to improve results before concluding that the software or our hardware is faulty, which is why situational variables need to be controlled for.

In the end, you need to ask yourself whether trying something like PE is worth it or not. It is akin to studying. Is studying certain subjects worth it? If it is, no matter how boring the subject may be, you might find that it will serve your best interests to find ways to learn and score.

To summarize: determine your objective, and determine whether it is worth it. Make necessary changes to achieve it.

Note that we are not bashing you (at least, I am not); we are simply suggesting you try alternatives before concluding that something is impossible.

Indeed, some things may be impossible for some people, but not most people, and you can only know for sure that something is impossible when you have tried most things.

@BigO:

But we can get an average result, can we not? Suppose someone created a bodybuilding exercise routine. Not everyone will get the same results, but we can still gather data and obtain the average gains. Variation in data does not imply non-effectiveness.

[BTBrian]

@BigO:

But we can get an average result, can we not? Suppose someone created a bodybuilding exercise routine. Not everyone will get the same results, but we can still gather data and obtain the average gains. Variation in data does not imply non-effectiveness.

Thanks for clarifying that Alshia, that's what I was trying to say in my initial post. I just wasn't sure how to say it.

[BigO]

Thanks for the advice BigO. I moved on from manual quite a while ago. I currently have more than 800 hrs in with an extender. I started PE a year and a half ago and haven't seen a solid gain after the first 5 months where I "gained" .25". I occasionally see an additional .25" but not consistantly enough to call it a gain. After 200 more hours with the torture device I'm throwing in the towel for a while if I still don't see any progress.

I dorealize that there is such a thing as a tough gainer, just not as many as claim the title. I also know that you have been busting your hump with out the results you like. I would think that Big Al may be an option, I have seen many who had come to a stand still with gains resume gaining with him and his coaching.

[BigO]

@amiok:

There is a need to consider things that can be changed to improve results before concluding that the software or our hardware is faulty, which is why situational variables need to be controlled for.

In the end, you need to ask yourself whether trying something like PE is worth it or not. It is akin to studying. Is studying certain subjects worth it? If it is, no matter how boring the subject may be, you might find that it will serve your best interests to find ways to learn and score.

To summarize: determine your objective, and determine whether it is worth it. Make necessary changes to achieve it.

Note that we are not bashing you (at least, I am not); we are simply suggesting you try alternatives before concluding that something is impossible.

Indeed, some things may be impossible for some people, but not most people, and you can only know for sure that something is impossible when you have tried most things.

@BigO:

But we can get an average result, can we not? Suppose someone created a bodybuilding exercise routine. Not everyone will get the same results, but we can still gather data and obtain the average gains. Variation in data does not imply non-effectiveness.

of course we can gain averages, we can do that with everything, however the post I was replying to says that everyone will gain the same if they do the same. That has nothing to do with averages. That is predicting a certainty, that cant happen. It won happen.
As far as gaining statistics go that is constantly done with those who do the same routine and those who do different routines so in all actuallity I dont understand your post.

[Alshia]

@BigO:

I agree that I was answering a different question; I was under the impression that you were responding to BTBrian's post on variation, and considering how I'm trying to eliminate individual differences, I simply wanted to point out that if we can control every situational variable (in which case this would be almost become a true experiment), the result will reflect minimum variation. This variation can then be explained as being due to individual differences.

Yes, often we do not or cannot control certain situational variables; that does cause more variation in the data. But even if it is impossible to control all situational variables now, it will serve everyone well to be aware of all the situational variables. The main benefit is that we would then not blame ourselves for having inferior genes or think ourselves as "inferior" compared to other people.

Truely, we can't even say with certainty that certain people will never gain if there are some uncontrolled and/or unknown situational variables surrounding their routine.

[amiok]

@amiok:

There is a need to consider things that can be changed to improve results before concluding that the software or our hardware is faulty, which is why situational variables need to be controlled for.

In the end, you need to ask yourself whether trying something like PE is worth it or not. It is akin to studying. Is studying certain subjects worth it? If it is, no matter how boring the subject may be, you might find that it will serve your best interests to find ways to learn and score.

To summarize: determine your objective, and determine whether it is worth it. Make necessary changes to achieve it.

Note that we are not bashing you (at least, I am not); we are simply suggesting you try alternatives before concluding that something is impossible.

Indeed, some things may be impossible for some people, but not most people, and you can only know for sure that something is impossible when you have tried most things.

Dude. i didn't join yesterday, jerk off and say this shit don't work. i understand about doing things differently. If you lose size after 3 months you'll be singing the same tune.

[BigO]

This is where you are confused Alshia, I get what you are trying to say but the fact still remains that if you took 100 people and put them in a controlled environment with the same food, rest , water and PE routine you still would not get 100 people with the same results. You will get some who gain much better then others, you will have an average and you will have those that gain little to nothing. If there was truth in your theory then by now there would be that one routine that would be proven to better then all others and there would be no need for people to try anything else.
To point out that there is still an average or a mean is a way of giving a pointless blanket statement becaus it is already a given that an average would exhist, just like an average weight or height.

[BTBrian]

This is where you are confused Alshia, I get what you are trying to say but the fact still remains that if you took 100 people and put them in a controlled environment with the same food, rest , water and PE routine you still would not get 100 people with the same results. You will get some who gain much better then others, you will have an average and you will have those that gain little to nothing. If there was truth in your theory then by now there would be that one routine that would be proven to better then all others and there would be no need for people to try anything else.
To point out that there is still an average or a mean is a way of giving a pointless blanket statement becaus it is already a given that an average would exhist, just like an average weight or height.

BigO what me and Alshia are trying to say is that even when people are doing the same program they're not doing it exactly the same. 100 people doing JP90s are stretching at different intensities, doing jelqs with different grip strengths and at different erection levels etc. We are trying to say that if we could control for these factors that there would be minimal variation. Obviously not every single person would have the exact same results but I think that probably about 70% of people would have pretty similar results and then there would be maybe 15% of people gaining slower and 15% gaining much faster.

[Big Al]

My list on what I think could be the possible reasons:

- Incorrect technique
- Anxiety
- Skepticism
- Under-training
- Over-training
- Under-deconditioning
- Over-deconditioning
- Prior damage to penis
- Over-masturbation / Too much sex
- Presence of STDs
- Unhealthy diet
- Lack of sleep and rest
- Inconsistent routine
- Over-exercising (your body)
- Tightness of underwear (just a thought. if you bandaged your hand for a month, you lose muscles don't you?)

Please contribute to this thread by suggesting possibilities. Anyone who wishes to elaborate on any of the possibilities on my list, I urge you to do so.

EDIT: Please suggest only situational causes, i.e. causes that can be changed.

This is a GREAT list If I may add to it, I'd like to include "EQ", though EQ is more of a measurement and the above may just compound negative EQ- especially in the case of anxiety and overwork/excess masturbation.