Evolution and Penis Size

[tanaka]

My original query assumed "a bit bigger is better", which, being a newb here, I kind of assumed and did know it was a contentious issue. Like most everyone else here, I think, I don't want to discuss "is bigger better?" or "how big is too big?" or "how small is too small" etc. I'm curious about a great many things, one area of which is evolution, and one topic is human gender traits. This seemed a good place to discuss the issue, but devolving into a "does size matter" discussion isn't productive.

You are forgetting that there are countless other factors....

No, I am not forgetting them, merely concentrating on one other specific factor. From what I've seen there is a size correlation between vaginas and penises of a particular genetic group. This makes sense and confirms size is an evolved trait. Years ago I read a translation of the Kamasutra and recall it divided genital sizes of each sex into 3 categories (small, medium, large) and used an animal to designate. (I forget which...dogs, deer, bull, horse for some of the six.) But it was clear the authors viewed the size "advantage" was to the female, as the small-male was not really compatible with the small-female, and the large-male was not compatible with the large-female. In both cases, the male being smaller than ideal; so my curiosity is: why?

Regarding adding carbohydrates to our diet, a lack of protein would not have allowed humans to become taller in general would it? I've read that Japanese woman now have larger breasts then a few generations ago and this is attributed to better nutrition.

And you really think humans didn't eat carbs over 10,000 years ago?

10K to 15K years ago human cultures stopped hunter/gathering and began farming, which lead to an explosion in population, given the comparative ease with which caloric requirements could be met with much less labor and with many other benefits. But this implies that for the much longer period prior humans thrived much more on meat with less starch/sugar in their diet. Turns out protein and animal fat are quite healthy for humans, while carbs are over consumed today.

I read an article which made the evolutionary connection between penis head size and displacement of competitive semen from the vagina.

That seems to be the most popular theory these days, although I've wondered if in fact the scoop isn't for competitive semen but for vaginal secretions which IIRC are somewhat acidic which may not be good for the swimmers.

[GoingForGold]

My glans accounts for 2" of my length when hard it's like a scoop.

Soft it's about 1.75" in length.


I do not think it's a big deal since I can cum multiple times that means I can release more seed. More seed = higher chance of pregnancy.

You missed the key word - competitive semen, not your own.

My head is also 2" with a measured pic

[GoingForGold]

Human evolution isn't driven entirely by having sex and successful pregnancy. Raising a successful child of your genetic lineage has NOTHING to do with the size of your penis. Is this discussion over yet?

[JonPop]

Grog Stud

Lets add a bit of humor here to a thread that isn't going anywhere. I wrote this a few years ago. (Tongue in cheek)

[jrems]

Small penises exist because genetic diversity exists. Large penises exist because genetic diversity exists. If one (size) made you more fit than the other then eventually that size would become more common leading toward an eventual permanent fix in the trait where everyone has it. This obviously isn't the case for any sized penis so at this time we can conclude that most penis sizes do not offer any advantage.

Case closed. Some of you gentlemen should really try and keep a more open mind. This thread so far as I can tell was never meant to be a "bigger is better" discussion and those who thought it was made it so....

[tanaka]

Thank you, +1.

While a larger than average penis may not be helpful for survival, a larger vagina might be, for the birth-giving female.

Evolution is a bit tricky I think. Humans are fairly weak, with inferior senses compared to many other species; e.g. sight, smell, hearing. So, as we are obviously the "most evolved" how can this be? Well, one solution is that having inferior senses required humans to rely on it's one major advantage: our brain. In other words, having a better sense of smell may have meant less reliance on intelligence, so the inferior sensory apparatus was an advantage!

[vulcan]

Intelligence, humor, good looks, ability to provide & probably many more.

I would say that penis size is way down the list in terms of prerequisites to reproduce, ability to provide is probably the most important one - at least for the vast majority of women. Also, love.

[BigO]

Some of these posts make it seem like we were like a pack of dogs, even since the early days humans mostly paired up and stayed with each other. There were not many cases where we needed to have a cock that could scrape out another mans goo and then plant ours. All these theories honestly make me bust out laughing. The only time women would get un gooed by another man is when he raped her.

The penis is not made to remove semen in any way, it is made to deposit it. If a man with a bigger dinky jumped the hot cave babe that was not his he most likely got his brain bucket smashed with a rock by the first guy she was with.

There are actually alot of us that don't buy the cave man shit in the first place but that is a whole different subject. I would like to know where are the apes that are just barely smart enough to talk but are not fluent yet, I mean if everything is evolving where are they at or did evolution just stop, would not make sense and if one believes in evolution then it could not stop.

[DaddyDick]

Some of these posts make it seem like we were like a pack of dogs, even since the early days humans mostly paired up and stayed with each other. There were not many cases where we needed to have a cock that could scrape out another mans goo and then plant ours. All these theories honestly make me bust out laughing. The only time women would get un gooed by another man is when he raped her.

The penis is not made to remove semen in any way, it is made to deposit it. If a man with a bigger dinky jumped the hot cave babe that was not his he most likely got his brain bucket smashed with a rock by the first guy she was with.

There are actually alot of us that don't buy the cave man shit in the first place but that is a whole different subject. I would like to know where are the apes that are just barely smart enough to talk but are not fluent yet, I mean if everything is evolving where are they at or did evolution just stop, would not make sense and if one believes in evolution then it could not stop.

Evolution does not stop. I am one of the lucky people who never got wisdom teeth. But don't worry, I can speak! I just have not evolved far enough to spell worth a damn yet.

[jrems]

Evolution takes a genetic line and moves it forward in a new direction. The line of primates that led to ourselves and chimps also led to countless other species most of which have become extinct. The idea there is a never ending succession of species coming up the proverbial path behind the "most evolved" species is false.

Homo sapiens had several close relatives but all of them have gone extinct in the not so distant past including a recently discovered pygmy species Australopithecus floresiensis. Human evolution is pretty neat stuff with lots of holes and mysteries but genetics is bringing a lot of new information to light.

All non-African humans possess some Neanderthal DNA which is pretty cool in my opinion. People say that Neanderthals died out but clearly that isn't the case; most died out but some were assimilated into contemporary humanity as various radiations of humanoid apes migrated from Africa during the past 100,000 years or so. Some scientists think that red hair is a Neanderthal trait!