Mechanically Activated Stretch Reflex (M.A.I.R) Exercises

[marinera]

Okay Marinera...you may be able to get away with those kind of condescending remarks as a moderator on that other site of yours...but not here...not on my watch!

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You should have called on the guy who first made trolling remarks. And save your threats for someone else, I am not scared by your attitude dude.

[marinera]

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Also, I can only find the abstracts, not the entire paper and how the surgery was done. Like I said, the patients could have mild venous leak as well. I want to see those tests done.
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Venous leak has nothing to do with what we are saying. They cut the tunica albuginea, add a graft and the erect girth was about 1" bigger right after. No need to grow more smooth muscle. One of the full text of those papers is here
http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S...%2934036-4/pdf

Look that penis girth was evaluated before and after intervention, with erection achieved through alprostadil injection.

Another similar paper I uploaded in fulltext on *************, just search for Austoni phalloplasty and you should be able to find it pretty easily.

Also, look that in this paper
A new technique for augmentation phalloplasty: albugineal surgery with bilateral saphenous grafts--three years of experience. - PubMed - NCBI
that I previously cited, the average increase in girth was 1.6 cm but the starting average erect girth was about 3 cm; so the increase was of more than 50%, with no need to increase smooth muscle.


Anothe fulltext on the same topic I uploaded on *************, just google 'Austoni phalloplasty' and you'll find it pretty easily.

[marinera]

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As a former bodybuilder, I know you're FOS.
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This is a personal attack and nothing else. Try using your brain instead than insulting people.

[marinera]

Other food for thought:
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J Urol. 1992 Nov;148(5):1432-4.
Penile extensibility: to what is it related?

Moreira de Goes P¹, Wespes E, Schulman C.
Author information


Abstract

Penile extensibility is the difference between the length of the flaccid penis and the penis submitted to a maximal constant traction. This measurement has been proposed for use as a new potential diagnostic method to assess intracavernous fibrosis.

To determine the value of this method we measured penile extensibility before and after removing the skin and cavernous tissue in 17 cadavers and 4 patients undergoing penile implantation. In all cases a cavernous tissue biopsy was performed and the percentages of the different structures were objectively quantified by computer analysis. The extensibility decreased with patient age but it was not influenced by removal of the skin and/or cavernous tissue. No correlation was observed between decreased extensibility and the increase in fibrotic elements in the penile tissue. Penile extensibility seems to reflect the elasticity of the tunica albuginea, which is the limiting factor and cannot be an expression of fibrosis of the corpora cavernosa.'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ct&holding=npg

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ct&holding=npg

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I would say it is clear enough, but hey, feel free to argue just for the sake and insult me how much you want. We are on the Internet after all.

[Tamora]

You should have called on the guy who first made trolling remarks. And save your threats for someone else, I am not scared by your attitude dude.

I don't expect you to be scared.

What I do expect is that you refrain from making condescending and sarcastic remarks without feeling the need to vent your spleen against me.

[marinera]

The distended abdomens of today's professional bodybuilder isn't from using anabolic steroids. It's from using growth hormone is excessive amounts. ....

Although I wouldn't cut off the chances that HGH cause bowels growth, anabolic steroids effect on them is more documented:
Acceleration of regeneration of mucosa in small intestine damaged by ionizing radiation using anabolic steroids. - PubMed - NCBI

Multi-organ damage induced by anabolic steroid supplements: a case report and literature review

[Dangler]

To anyone posting in this thread.

Play nice, ALL of you. Do not bait, or allow yourself to get baited, insinuate, back handed insults, etc.

Thanks, I enjoy a good discussion, and the various viewpoints expressed.

Dangler
Sr. Admin.

[INS]

Venous leak has nothing to do with what we are saying.

hey did you read my example on how I think Ven leak can possibly develop?

They cut the tunica albuginea, add a graft and the erect girth was about 1" bigger right after. No need to grow more smooth muscle. One of the full text of those papers is here
http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S...%2934036-4/pdf

Over here they didnt' cut the tunica... they just put the graft outside the bucks facia... they didn't go past the bucks fasica into the tunica. They just sutured a few layers outside it to give thickening.

Also, look that in this paper
A new technique for augmentation phalloplasty: albugineal surgery with bilateral saphenous grafts--three years of experience. - PubMed - NCBI
that I previously cited, the average increase in girth was 1.6 cm but the starting average erect girth was about 3 cm; so the increase was of more than 50%, with no need to increase smooth muscle.


Anothe fulltext on the same topic I uploaded on *************, just google 'Austoni phalloplasty' and you'll find it pretty easily.

This one is actually capable of proving your point.

I read the original paper, and it did state, however, that it coagulated some of the circumflex veins to reduce incidences of venous leak.... I can't help but wonder how much it would've helped give credence to my theory though.

Here's my question though: How much can the cavernous tissue expand without the restraint of the tunica under PHYSIOLOGICAL pressures.

What I'm asking is: Assume you deglove the cavernosa of it's tunica. You occlude the drainage veins externally, to the amount they are occluded normally. How much would the cavernosa expand when the intracavernosal pressure is at physiological levels of erection?

Also, are we only changing the size of the tunica and not the cavernosa with PE?

[INS]

Though I will say there is a good possibility of only changing the tunica being able to cause enlargement.

I still wish however, that the smooth muscle also grows, simply to preserve the normal histology.

My basic concern as I've outlined a lot by now is that if the cavernous tissue doesn't expand as much as the tunica, perhaps it won't be able to compress the veins and cause veno occlusion

[INS]

Anyway, I can't seem to find the study on length... help me out here Marinera