I just CAN'T gain

[Gator]

Consistency has been my worst enemy as you can see BUT it cannot explain why I lose gains. All of my gains have been lost while doing the same thing that got me the gains. But, I need to keep more accurate notes.

[mountie]

Gator.....I apologize for this in advance.

I work with professional athletes. These guys are supposed to be the elite of the elite. I have had athletes tell me they can't get any stronger/faster/quicker or whatever else we would like to them to achieve. I have had athletes crying in my office out of frustration and disappointment, thier career's on the line. They tell me they have done everything "right" and they just can't progress. They tell me they are "100% dedicated" to thier training/nutrition programs, and they still struggle. I can't tell you how many times I have been told "coach I am doing everything in my power......".............blah blah blah....

Do you know what I have learned from all these athletes? Not one of them educated themselves enough to achieve the goals they desired. Not one of them was 100% committed mentally and physically to the goals they desired. Not one of them commited 100% to the training/nutrition program that was desgned specifically for them, and kept a training log that could be examined at a later date. Not one of them seeked "professional" help when it was needed.

Look, I am not here to question you or go off on you. I like your posts and honesty. But, what I will ask you to do is look in the mirror and be honest with yourself.

Is PE important enough to you?
Did you give PE your 100% committed effort?
Did you committ to seek the knowledge needed to achieve your goals?
Did you seek out professional help?
Did you listen to that knowledge??


The last two questions are the tough one's for most to answer. A lot of poeple know what they should do, but do something else becasue they think they know better. They tweak/adjust a program in hopes of gaining faster, and don't realize little adjustments can have big consequenses.

I would do this if I were you. Stop everything for a couple weeks/month and relax. Write down everything you have done in the past and seriously analyze it. Learn about PE like it was a class at school. Then when you think you know it all.......accept that you probably still know very little.......and seek direct help from someone who knows more than you. Perhaps Big Al or one of the other vets. Go to them after you have done your homework so you are not wasting thier time and they can see just how serious you are.

Then sit down and develop a program with that person armed with knowledge and experience. Shared knowledge and your personal experience's. And, when you have developed something you are happy with...committ to it.......and make a committment to that person who helped you out as well.

The last thing I tell athetes in situations like this, is that if you want to succeed in anything you do knowledge is power;

"Remember the past, examine the present, determine the future"

Good luck, we are here for you.
(Sorry if ths post sounds too "preachy" or "corny", I would just like to see you succeed)

[Gator]

Is PE important enough to you?
Did you give PE your 100% committed effort?
Did you committ to seek the knowledge needed to achieve your goals?
Did you seek out professional help?
Did you listen to that knowledge??

Yes, I don't think I needed to even answer this one.
No, probably more like 75-80%
Yes, I'm a knowledge whore
Yes, several times and to different people
Most of it, especially what made sense and had proven effectiveness


And I'm not taking ANOTHER break. Breaks are to be used for deconditioning - and I don't need one. A break won't address issues, it will only waste more time.

[hardcore]

hey gator! need to keep that consistancy up,also might be a good idea to start a new log from scratch and put everything you do involving pe non pe food sleep supps etc and try and update it everyday so not to miss anything, also another idea that might be helpfull with gaining and losing, this is a method i used for bodybuilding as i found myself doing the same thing as you are doing in pe and worked wonders for me,never heard of it been done in pe but its worth a try.

say you were doing jps begginer programme or any programme start off intense for 8 weeks taking all your suppliments increasing intensity every to weeks, and once you have done the 8 weeks do 3 weeks of lessining your intensinty by 40% and only take 30% of the suppliments you were taking gettig the percentges right is important,once you have completed hat 3 weeks start over at the 8 week cycle,what this 3 week period will do, will maintain what you have gained and then once back on the 8 week cycle it will shock the penis (in this case) in to growth just like newbie gains.

[mountie]

Gator, it is obvious that you are frustrated but you only have two options as I see it. You can either quit, or you can get serious and look at what you have been doing as a learning experience and regroup. You like reality, black and white, no grey areas......well here it is.......The hardest thing for a person to do is admit that what they have been doing is wrong/not working and take a step back and re-evaluate. You are obviously doing something wrong, so you either continue to make the same mistakes or you get serious about fixing it your program.

I think you work out correct?? Then you know first hand just how many people are out there going to the gym every day, working hard, and getting no results. How many women have been doing spin classes or running for the last ten years of ther lives and still look exactly the same or fatter!!?? But if you were to ask them if they need help they look at you like you are crazy.

Men are worse, they are the absolute "know it all's". How many guys are on this board right now talking about thier weight trainng programs who think they know it all, but in reality don't know squat! They spew out incorrect information like it is the gospel and are actually doing thier bodies a lot of harm in the process.

In the end you are going to do whatever you want to do. But please, this is your dick, you only have one, treat it like it desrves to be treated.

I will shut up now as I dont want to offend you or anyone further

Good luck Gator.

[wordup]

Well, you say you do make gains, which you then lose. I'd say add edging, maybe do it on your off days. I believe I've gained with this exercise, but you don't have to worry about that. If you do it right, at the very least you will keep the tissues expanded when you're not working on gains. A lot of guys seem to use edging as a cementing exercise, so it will help you maintain growth.

[mountie]

Hardcore...I wrote my post and put it up before I saw your post. Please dont take anythng I said about weight training in my post personally. It was not intended for you, but seeing as how my post will follow yours, others may think that was my intention.

[hardcore]

no worries

[Gator]

I will shut up now as I dont want to offend you or anyone further

You will do no such thing Mountie. If I didn't want people to make comments, I wouldn't have started the thread in the first place. If you shut up, how am I going to be able to soak up all of the good shit you are saying? Besides, I'm not quitting mountie. I don't think I could even if I said I was going to. PE has become a part of me now, just like exercising and eating. I don't feel right if I don't do it. I guess this thread is just my annual "what am I doing wrong" thread. I really hope this is the last one. Reading your guy's posts is already making me feel better. The better half of me wants to admit that my problem is just consistency, but the devil half is saying that's just a bullshit excuse to get around my lack of progress. And, by the way, even though I refer to myself as an info-whore, I still feel like I don't know shit about this stuff (for lack of a better way to describe it).

However, like I have said in the past - I think my mind and the way it operates is half my problem. I overanalyze, overcalculate, and just overthink the fuck out of everything I do, not just PE. I just need to learn how to DO and not think so damn much.

[NSF001]

Gator,

I am glad to hear from your last post that you still insist on continuing with PE. I now try to view PE as a way to exercise my penis to keep it healthy; if I gain, great. I know what you mean when you say that the devil inside you says that its just a bullshit excuse to get around your lack of progress, as I too am a victim of this thought process. The over-analysis bit gets me to question everything about the routine when I have a poor blood flow day.

When it comes to measurements, I find enough variance in my BPEL measurements. On a good day, I touch near 6.85" - 7.00", while on an average day I get near 6.75", and on a bad day I get near 6.5". Such has been the case for at least a month now. I did notice that when I stopped religiously kegeling, my measurements became consistently higher in the 6.85" - 7.00" spectrum.

Anyway, enough of my banter. I am impressed to hear that you now regard PE as a part of you, and it damn well should be. Even from an exercise point of view, its wise to have a healthy penis. In terms of advice, post PE edging worked out great for me. My penile tissues get a lot more pliable, and I could achieve larger erections after PE. But since lately I removed edging to let my foreskin-tear heal, I notice that my tissues are not nearly as pliable after PE as they once were after edging. I am sure that much of the advice given to you is pure gold, but I especially stand behind wordup's advice.