Locating and Activating the Ischiocavernosus Muscle (IC) to obtain more 'Penis Power'

[Xeonlunga]

@dickerschwanz
hey man thanks for replying.
I think I can target my IC because I kegel and target the muscle behind the testicles and bring them together like normal kegel. My penis jumps up and town rapidly even erected but not that hard. One thing that's really unusual is that when I target those muscle my penis rotates anti-clockwise. Like helicopters wings. It rotates in circles anti-clockwise and I can do it for as long as I want, it's like when your flaccid penis elongates to its full size and then you grab it and do copter shakes like rotate your penis with speed clockwise or anti-clockwise except I don't use my hands it's only my muscles doing it.

[LongusCockus]

@DickerSchwanz

Thank you! I really appreciate your detailed answers!
Regarding that, I have a few follow-up questions.

a) If you try to consciously hold your erection (said ~2 min), do you do an isolated IC flex or are you doing an RK?

b) Follow-up: When you do an isolated IC flex, is like an RK without trying to involve the other muscles or is it more like the motion of doing a minimal normal kegel?
Or to rephrase: When you isolate the IC, is it more a push-motion or a pull-motion?

c) Although you made your point of the necessity of strong full RKs clear:
Do you think that trying to loosen the PF by doing a very slight RK throughout the day will help in making it less tense?
E.g. when walking or working at the computer, trying to hold a minimal RK all the time.

d) Do you think that training the IC by only using very hard RKs would be enough to improve my "maintaining qualities" or must I learn to isolate the IC by itself?

[Pegasus]

Just a point from Granpa .
Full bore rk require condition so you have to work up to them .

[Via.Swiss]

15 years ago (at the age of 18), I woke up one morning with ZERO mind to penis connection. I had HF and the first time I noticed, was my morning pee where I realized my penis was literally dead. I couldn't move or do anything with it. I also immediately had ED, low libido and other symptoms which seem to resemble Post Finasteride Syndrome. Since then, I've tried every possible treatment possible with little to no benefit. I am actually planning on getting an implant in the next few months.

However, my PT for the pelvic floor/CPPS/HF never really differentiated the BC from the IC. I can control the BC through a kegel very easily. Its very strong and often tense. Over the years I've worked a lot on trying to RK to relax it.

A few days ago I began to try to exercise the IC to see if this helps my genital/sexual symptoms. It seems like I am "maybe" able to barely do this during/immediately after peeing. However, when I am just flaccid - I seem to have no connection to the IC. I've read that with an erection is the best way to practice, but I can only really get an erection with Viagra.

My biggest concern is that even when I "think" I am exercising the IC, I am worried that maybe I am actually using the BC. I can easily make my penis jump, but it feels like I am using the BC a lot! I guess I am maybe confused on how to use the IC but not the BC. Someone had said the IC kegel is only the very beginning on the regular kegel. Is that true? Any further tips to help my brain connect to the IC without activating the BC. I really want to exaust this route as the cause of my ED within the next few months when I have an implant scheduled.

I even remember prior to getting HF/PFS, that as a kid I always dribbled in my underwear after urinating and often stop/started while peeing. Clearly even as a kid I had some pelvic floor dysfunction.

[DickerSchwanz]

@DickerSchwanz
Regarding that, I have a few follow-up questions.

a) mostly an IC but the RK is often used along with it or without it. I guess when I need more pressure into the penis I also do a hard RK.
b) More like an RK, it creates "top down outside pressure" while kegels clench upwards and inwards.
c) nah I never liked doing any kegels while not being focused on it. It`s like bodybuilding in that sense. an RK is the better choice for passive PF stuff.
What I like to do is walking with an IC hold which is an interesting sensation.
d) Theres no training with RK's for the IC, an RK just stretches PF muscles and opens blood flow and pressure(hard RK to the penis)
idk try it.

[Pegasus]

15 years ago (at the age of 18), I woke up one morning with ZERO mind to penis connection. I had HF and the first time I noticed, was my morning pee where I realized my penis was literally dead. I couldn't move or do anything with it. I also immediately had ED, low libido and other symptoms which seem to resemble Post Finasteride Syndrome. Since then, I've tried every possible treatment possible with little to no benefit. I am actually planning on getting an implant in the next few months.

However, my PT for the pelvic floor/CPPS/HF never really differentiated the BC from the IC. I can control the BC through a kegel very easily. Its very strong and often tense. Over the years I've worked a lot on trying to RK to relax it.

A few days ago I began to try to exercise the IC to see if this helps my genital/sexual symptoms. It seems like I am "maybe" able to barely do this during/immediately after peeing. However, when I am just flaccid - I seem to have no connection to the IC. I've read that with an erection is the best way to practice, but I can only really get an erection with Viagra.

My biggest concern is that even when I "think" I am exercising the IC, I am worried that maybe I am actually using the BC. I can easily make my penis jump, but it feels like I am using the BC a lot! I guess I am maybe confused on how to use the IC but not the BC. Someone had said the IC kegel is only the very beginning on the regular kegel. Is that true? Any further tips to help my brain connect to the IC without activating the BC. I really want to exaust this route as the cause of my ED within the next few months when I have an implant scheduled.

I even remember prior to getting HF/PFS, that as a kid I always dribbled in my underwear after urinating and often stop/started while peeing. Clearly even as a kid I had some pelvic floor dysfunction.

Read this.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile-...es-advice.html

[DickerSchwanz]

15 years ago

Well that`s complex. You dont feel anything touching it or you just can't achieve an erection? No feeling at all then something traumatic in some form happened and possibly the nerves are damaged.. Injury or something other that happened prior to "one morning" ?

If you can get an erection and hold it with viagra then the metus works and an implant seems overkill. You or a therapist should be able to gauge if your PF is tight.

If it is you do RK`s. Anything else wont help much. The very tight areas in my PF I neither had much access or awareness off. Another way to try to make your brain aware is to train inner body awareness. Many tight people have problems in other body parts too. Like being aware your hand is there without touching or looking at it or imagining it. Easier and different than the PF but same "mind set".

Then PF control can be a tool. Like training the IC. The IC could also counter the so called "venous leakage" which is basically the lack of mechanism to close off the veins leaving the penis (veins always "leak"/move blood out of organs).
It's a touchy subject but if not due to a mechanic incident like force there can also be trauma in a mental way which we can hold onto forever(until let go or solved). If I'm in a tense situation I still often clench the PF and only notice it after and have to let the tension go. In an "esoteric way" the PF is related to having a strong base in reality towards earth and towards bringing your weight and person onto the planet and expressing yourself like dancing or planting a tree working and walking mother earth. Some people this helps
I prefer the forum to help others reading but you can also write PM for personal stuff

[Dodot007]

Please anybody tell me how to train IC muscle with clearly step by step for dumb brained like me and when you try to slight kegel to located the IC muscle did you mean you contracted the anus too?

[DickerSchwanz]

step by step for dumb

I propose the smartest man on earth will have a harder time locating the IC then some fuckboi doofus :P

There's no direct contraction of the anus. The slight kegel route I don`t like. Hard to differentiate that way.

The biggest thing for me was to know where the IC muscles are. Do you? That is the first thing. I posted some pics on P1.
Look at the pictures and imagine where it is in your body. Without it you are fishing in the dark.

[DickerSchwanz]

I noticed that doing an IC is easiest when doing a full belly breath in. Meaning your belly bulges down and out when you breath in.
A normal Kegel or BC Kegel seems to interfer with such a belly breath while the IC is aided by it.