Not another hard flaccid thread

[CharlesPerry Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CharlesPerry]

Hello, this is my first post in quite a while. I suppose I'm just looking for some hope after a long and demoralizing journey.

I'm a 26 year old male who used to dabble in PE. Three years ago, I got the dreaded "hard flaccid" after attempting an advanced "inner penis stretch" without a proper warm up. My symptoms were not that bad...just an occasional hard flaccid when standing or after ejaculation. Applying heat would always make it go away, and my penis would look and feel normal. There was never any pain or numbness, and only slight discomfort.

There wasn't much info out there about the condition when I first injured myself, so I tried everything I read on this and other internet forums (helicopter shakes, fowfers, etc). I'm not sure if I did any further damage to my unit with these techniques, but it certainly didn't help. The event that caused my condition to worsen noticeably was during sex with my ex-girlfriend about two years ago. My penis got pushed down abruptly, and I heard a classic ligament pop (nothing I haven't heard before), there was no pain, and we continued having sex, though ejaculation was uncomfortable. Not only did I experience immediate hard flaccid after ejaculation, it was the worst I'd ever seen it. The very look and shape of my penis had changed.

Now, even when I manage to relax and get my penis to soften, it feels like there is something missing. My corpora cavernosa are less pronounced than they used to be, and I literally cannot feel my corpus spongiosum anymore. At all. This makes my penis look and feel very thin--even when hard flaccid is away--and gives the feeling that it is loosely attached. In addition, my testicles began to hang differently, and I occasionally experience sharp pain in my abdomen after ejaculation. I also noticed that when sitting on the toilet now, the base of my penis retracts into my scrotum...which never used to happen. Is it possible I've done some damage to the ligaments, or to the corpus spongiosum? Is it possible that this is all just a case of an extremely cramped ischiocavernosus?

I'm wondering if anyone has experienced anything like the latter symptoms. I still have hard flaccid, but it is the least of my worries. I wan't my corpus spongiosum back. I want the shape and feel of my penis to return to normal for once. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

[paintballer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close paintballer]

this doesn't exactly help you, but I'm curious what exactly are the symptoms of HF. Mine isn't hard its just not as floppy, a little more dense. I also noticed its lifted a little bit, by about 2 cm. Could this be from stretching without a warm up?

[CharlesPerry Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CharlesPerry]

Over the last three years, I've read a lot of descriptions of hard flaccid, and the symptoms seem to vary from person to person. At the onset of my hard flaccid, my penis would still look and feel normal about half the time (soft and "fluffy," for lack of a better term). The other half of the time, it would turtle up and become hard to the touch, as if there was a hard rubber tube inside there. This would usually happen upon standing, in the shower, or post ejaculation. Everything felt tight and constricted, but would loosen up with heat or light massage.

After all the ill-advised fowfers (where you basically tug and sit on your penis), and the fateful ligament pop, I still get the hard rubbery dick when flaccid...only now, if I massage or apply heat to soften it up, it is still not normal. It is misshapen in the ways I described, like something is missing. My testicles also hang differently, and my junk just feels uncomfortable all day...even when the flaccid is soft.

If I had to take a guess, I would say I probably just strained the suspensory ligament while my ischio was already in a state of spasm, and that put my whole system completely out of whack. I'm just wondering if anyone has ever had their corpus spongiosum disappear after an injury.

[lonewolf84 Member Find all posts View Profile Close lonewolf84]

As said above, I know this also doesn't help you but I'm suffering from something similar. When I first suffered from hard flaccid, it would occasionally return to 100% normal - when I applied heat or was lying down. Perhaps I have suffered an additional injury as you did, but now even when it becomes flaccid it is not the same. It is exactly how you described as if something is missing.

I wonder, are you still able to achieve a full erection?

[CharlesPerry Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CharlesPerry]

As said above, I know this also doesn't help you but I'm suffering from something similar. When I first suffered from hard flaccid, it would occasionally return to 100% normal - when I applied heat or was lying down. Perhaps I have suffered an additional injury as you did, but now even when it becomes flaccid it is not the same. It is exactly how you described as if something is missing.

I wonder, are you still able to achieve a full erection?

It helps perhaps more than you realize. If you started out with a standard case of hard flaccid, and are now experiencing similar symptoms as me without suffering additional trauma (that you are able to pinpoint, anyway), perhaps we both just have a nasty case of hard flaccid...which sucks, but is treatable. How long after the onset of hard flaccid did your penis lose its shape? Is there anything you were doing at the time that could have caused further injury?

My libido is quite low, and erections are quite difficult to achieve if I'm not in the mood (I could get hard pretty reliably when I was with my girlfriend). I am usually able to reach a full erection, with at least comparable sensation, though my erect (as well as flaccid) length and girth have taken quite a hit. Sex and masturbation are still enjoyable, but definitely different. I'm probably not doing the best job at explaining it because it all feels so weird, but that feeling that something is missing persists, even when my erection is at it's fullest.

[CaptainJohnson Retired ModeratorSenior MemberPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CaptainJohnson]

Is it possible that this is all just a case of an extremely cramped ischiocavernosus?

Yes. Judging from your description of what and how your HF symptoms developed, it seems that you probably have some serious muscle tension issues. Grab yourself a physical therapist, do a bunch of pelvic stretches every day, start up yoga, and get ready for the long haul. Recovering from HF is a time-consuming, tedious venture, but it is not too hard.

Also, check out the supplement Relexin, produced by Provantex. It is for Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome, Prostatitis.

If all of this doesn't show any improvement at all, look around for a speciealist in CPPS and prostatitis. I am assuming you have already gone to a GP and a urologist. If not, they are decent stops to take just to make sure you don't have any other unrelated issues with similar symptoms. The GP is especially important as they can suggest you to a good urologist, physical therapist, and possibly even find you a CPPS specialist (although this specialty is rare).

[lonewolf84 Member Find all posts View Profile Close lonewolf84]

I don't think I suffered any additional trauma. I did continue to masturbate but wasn't exactly smacking it with a hammer so I wouldn't of thought that could have caused it.

Like you I'm just hoping it is a bad case of hard flaccid - I have physio starting monday, but there's no telling whether the physio will be able to treat this sort of thing or not atm.

I can still get a 100% erection but it requires a lot of work to maintain it.

Can't remember if you mentioned earlier and I'm writing this on my phone so it's not very easy to look but, if you haven't already, I would visit a urologist to check there isn't any internal damage. Hopefully it'll come back clear

[CaptainJohnson Retired ModeratorSenior MemberPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CaptainJohnson]

I don't think I suffered any additional trauma. I did continue to masturbate but wasn't exactly smacking it with a hammer so I wouldn't of thought that could have caused it.

Like you I'm just hoping it is a bad case of hard flaccid - I have physio starting monday, but there's no telling whether the physio will be able to treat this sort of thing or not atm.

I can still get a 100% erection but it requires a lot of work to maintain it.

Can't remember if you mentioned earlier and I'm writing this on my phone so it's not very easy to look but, if you haven't already, I would visit a urologist to check there isn't any internal damage. Hopefully it'll come back clear

I actually don't even think its that bad of a case of HF. Usually the worst cases also carry CPPS symptoms like severe pelvic pain and discomfort. It can get so bad that it can be hard to even walk. Your pelvic tension seems to be causing HF, but that is a minor chronic problem, which you can definitely recover from.

Good luck lonewolf! Don't give up!

- Cj

[PlsRespond Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PlsRespond]

i got hard flaccid (jelqing induced) 3 days ago

made some progress, though

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile-...-erection.html

[lonewolf84 Member Find all posts View Profile Close lonewolf84]

Thanks for the kind words and encouragement CJ. Starting physio on monday so hopefully I'll see an improvement after a few weeks of that - if they even know what they're doing. I don't really have much faith in the NHS anymore.

[terry947 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close terry947]

how did physio go? any updates? I will also be starting physio soon. The thing with HF is that PT will fix the problem ie. CPPS but it'll only come back again later. There was a reason why out pelvic floors went out of order, due to poor posture and tight/weak muscles. Its a bitch but you will also have to stretch and strengthen certain muscles.

[CaptainJohnson Retired ModeratorSenior MemberPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CaptainJohnson]

Hey guys, I am just keeping tabs here on how you are all doing. I'll also be checking in on the official hard flaccid thread. I am also returning to physio this month, but not for HF. I have chosen to continue with physio as a means to further strengthen my pelvic floor and lower abdominals to prevent the risk of future injuries.

[lonewolf84 Member Find all posts View Profile Close lonewolf84]

Hey guys. The physio gave me a bunch of stretches to do and basically said do them daily and I'll see you in three weeks. She said my hamstrings were some of the tightest she's ever seen but wasn't really open to the idea of hard flaccid being caused by muscular dysfunction. I've added in the stretches from the Healing Pelvic Pain book too but it doesn't really seem to be helping yet.

My HF free days seem to be less often now which is worrying, although the other day I had (at least to my mind at the time) a completely HF free 100% normal day. However I am starting to be more open to the idea that I may have some corporal fibrosis - perhaps from the injection I was given for the MRI scan, I hope this isn't the case but it cannot be discounted entirely.

I will continue with the stretches anyway - you can't dismiss something until you've tried it.