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    It's a long story at this point and I'll try to keep it as short as possible, but I'd like to include as much info/details as I can. Any help anyone can offer is welcome & desperately needed:


    My first intro to PE was through the Bathmate, which I started using in 2011. The suction at the base put an uncomfortable amount of pressure around the top of my left testicle. It was not unbearable, so I made the (foolish) decision to ignore it in favor of getting gains. After failing to see any noticeable gains after using it intermittently for about two years, I put it away & started a jelq routine instead. I continued with the jelq routine through 2013, and then in December I got the idea to bring the Bathmate back out & use it in conjunction with the jelqing in hopes of getting more/faster gains. It's hard to remember now, but I think I only used it once or twice more and then shelved it again (don't remember exactly why). But apparently those last two times would be two times too many.


    Strangely, it wasn't until February 2014, about two months later, that I began experiencing problems. All of a sudden one morning, I awoke with aches (not quite pain) in the left side of the scrotum. This continued every subsequent morning, during the early morning hours when you drift in and out of sleep before getting up (within about 5 mins of getting out of bed, the aches would quickly dissipate & not return until the same time the next day). In conjunction with the morning aches, I was noticing that both testicles (but most noticeably the left one) were beginning to shrink. Again, hard to remember exactly, but I believe this problem continued daily for about 2 or 3 months. After 3 months, the aching (for the most part), appeared to go way. However, more problems began emerging:


    Erections were less firm, not as full, & I began to lose them quicker. While I had never had trouble getting girth gains from jelqing before, now my penis seemed incapable of maintaining them for more than 24 hrs. So jelqing for girth was no longer possible (due to lack of blood flow, I suspect). As a result of this, I soon gave up jelqing. A cycle then began emerging which has continued to this day: 2-3 months of morning aches & testicular shrinkage, followed by about 2-3 months of no/minimal aches & no shrinkage.


    I despise American doctors & avoid them as long as possible, but finally in December 2014 I decided I had no other recourse & found one & made an appointment. I explained all of the problems I was experiencing & that I suspected it derived from an injury (though I avoided specifically mentioning the Bathmate - it's not easy divulging that sort of thing to another person). He did a psychical/visual examination, placed a stethoscope around the area to determine blood flow & then told me everything looked perfectly fine, testicles looked normal size (in my estimation they've shrunken by at least 30%) & blood was flowing normally. Essentially (and as most American doctors do when they're unable to diagnose the problem) he implied that it was all in my head (he's massively condescending). Trying to convince him otherwise, I explained to him that during that past winter when the average temperature was 20 degrees, my left testicle - for the very first time in my life - was now small enough to actually retreat from the scrotum entirely. He then started rambling about how that phenomenon was very common in pre-historic man (no I'm not kidding).


    To give me "peace of mind," he ordered an ultrasound in January 2015. According to what he later told me, the ultrasound didn't turn up anything and that the testicle measured "within the normal range" (this may be true, but they're still significantly smaller than before Feb. 2014). So there I was, with nowhere left to turn. During that year, the situation only got worse, as the penis began to become more and more affected. Erections got weaker & thinner. And then in December 2015, the situation went from bad to scary.


    All of a sudden, my penis began to lose sensitivity. If the penis wasn't constantly stimulated, the erection would instantly begin going down. This problem continued into 2016 and got worse. In July I couldn't wait any longer and made another appointment with my doctor. He did the same brief examination (almost entirely visual), and told me the same thing. This time he ordered a testosterone test (which I was later told turned out normal) and referred me to a urologist.


    In November 2016 (after waiting 3 months for an appointment), I saw the urologist. He did (and told me) the same thing: physical/visual examination (“You look fine”), apologized that he couldn’t do anything further for me, and sent me on my way. At no point did he recommend an MRI or any other x-ray/test, and like my regular doctor, he was incredibly condescending & snippy (I have very bad health insurance, and I suspect they see this & treat me accordingly).


    So here’s where things currently stand:


    I’ve just gone through one of those “shrinkage/ache cycles” (which lasted about 2-3 weeks). My testicles (mainly the left one) keep getting smaller. Most of the feeling in my penis is gone (the base & top side of the shaft are essentially dead), though there is still enough feeling in the underside of the penis (mostly under the tip) and the head to achieve (weak) erections & masturbate to completion. I seem to have hit a dead end with doctors, and I fear that if this continues untreated I’ll eventually be left with a virtually empty scrotum and an impotent penis. As a 24 yr old male, this is not a happy prospect.


    There is also something else I’ve been experiencing (infrequently) over the last year: every so often, after I masturbate at night (usually on my back) before falling asleep, I’ll feel the urge to pee, accompanied by a burning sensation. There will be a slight pain when I first push the urine out, and then the burning/peeing sensation will continue for about 20 minutes and then dissipate. I have no explanation for this, other than perhaps some streams are being crossed that shouldn’t be (?). Again, this only ever happens at night.


    Does anyone have any ideas/knowledge about exactly what could’ve been damaged in the upper left side of the scrotum (either veins/blood vessels or something in the left testicle) to bring on the symptoms I’ve experienced (especially the shrinkage & loss of sensitivity to the penis)? Would an MRI or some other kind of x-ray/test reveal the damaged areas (exploratory surgery?)? Would there be any way to restore size to the testicles (based on my research, I suspect not)? Unfortunately I have nowhere else to turn for help. If any of my descriptions are unclear, let me know.
    9292
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    Last edited by 9292; 01-14-2017, 04:56 PM.

  • #2
    Sorry about your situation bro. I'm currently using the bathmate myself. Sometimes I feel pressure that feels like the vein connected to the testicle gets sucked in.. it's not painful, but it's uncomfortable. Is that the feeling you used to feel?
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    • #3
      Testicles shrink and expand all the time. Even in a 12 hour cycle they can change size. There's no way to know what may have happened.

      It sounds like the doctors were doing their job to their best of their ability. They are only human and were operating under the empirical data given to them. You should have told them you were using a penis pump and experienced pain, it may have changed the outcome to the diagnosis.

      Sensitivity decrease could be a number of reasons. Could be that the force of jelqing or pumping was too extreme and it damaged nerves. There are a number of ways to increase penis sensitivity, search the forums and do some trial and error. You might have to retrain your brain a bit to increase the sensations you still have.

      You aren't supposed to pee after ejaculation. Should wait at least 15 minutes, maybe more for some people. I had the same burning if I pee only a few minute afterwards.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pipeman View Post
        Sorry about your situation bro. I'm currently using the bathmate myself. Sometimes I feel pressure that feels like the vein connected to the testicle gets sucked in.. it's not painful, but it's uncomfortable. Is that the feeling you used to feel?


        It wasn't an individual vain; my left testicle has always been a bit smaller than the right one, and so the top of the left testicle was not exactly "sucked in" by the base of pump, but rather pushed down by it (instead of being completely outside of it, as it perhaps should've been). But be careful with that thing!

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        • #5
          Thanks for talking about this. Just like everything in life, for every great story, there will be a bad one. Sorry you're the bad one bro. Hope someday you get it fixed.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by bored View Post
            Testicles shrink and expand all the time. Even in a 12 hour cycle they can change size. There's no way to know what may have happened.

            It sounds like the doctors were doing their job to their best of their ability. They are only human and were operating under the empirical data given to them. You should have told them you were using a penis pump and experienced pain, it may have changed the outcome to the diagnosis.

            Sensitivity decrease could be a number of reasons. Could be that the force of jelqing or pumping was too extreme and it damaged nerves. There are a number of ways to increase penis sensitivity, search the forums and do some trial and error. You might have to retrain your brain a bit to increase the sensations you still have.

            You aren't supposed to pee after ejaculation. Should wait at least 15 minutes, maybe more for some people. I had the same burning if I pee only a few minute afterwards.
            To the first point: suddenly & dramatically shrinking by over 30% in the space of 3 years is not normal in any scenario, certainly not for a 24 year-old. And there has never been any "expansion." At no point have I ever regained any of the size I lost.

            2nd: It seems to me that the least they could've done was suggest an MRI. That seems to be standard when trying to determine an internal issue.

            3rd: I should've been clear to say that I was not jelqing at the time I lost sensitivity in the penis (I had stopped months prior). And whenever I jelqed, it was always light. I'm certain this loss of sensitivity is the result of the general deterioration of my genitals as a result of that Bathmate injury.

            4th: I've never before heard that one is not supposed to pee after ejaculation; I've been doing it my entire life and never had a problem until the last year (so, not normal). Also: the burning sensation occurs before I pee - it's what forces me to pee in the first place. I have no choice.

            Thank you for input, though.
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            Last edited by 9292; 01-14-2017, 05:40 PM.

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            • #7
              OP, I can almost guarantee you are looking in the wrong direction. An injury would have manifested quicker than 2-3 months. Please try to listen to this advice. It is extremely hard to hear someone say what I am going to say, because you have convinced yourself of a different cause/effect.

              Your Pelvic Floor is too tight. You are impeding the blood flow to your testicles, and penis. They are atrophying over time because of this and not because of an injury. Stop all other counter measures. Go for no Kegels. Doing Reverse Kegels, Hindi Squats, and yoga that targets abs, lower back, glutes, pelvic floor, and thighs. If you sit a lot get up and walk/stretch way more often. Practice meditation and deep breathing find a way to relax and destress. If you watch porn stop. Completely. I know this will be hard to hear but please try. It will save you a lot of money and physical problems.
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              • #8
                Although its scary to you, many of the symptoms you describe I have experienced my entire adult life to the point where it seems normal to me. Understandably this is no consolation but I am on a steady yet slow path to recovery. You can either take the scientific approach and work on one possible issue at a time or inundate your member with several therapies.

                Possibility number one: Pelvic floor injury. When experiencing extreme stress(physical or mental) many people tend to clench their pelvic floor abnormally tight. Prolonged tightening could lead to a chronic spasm of your pelvic floor. Like you I experience what I refer to as "thin" erections, 0.5" less in girth than my full erections a majority of the time. Pelvic floor therapy(on my own has) helped here. Lots of good info on site.

                Number two: Lack of blood flow. This ties into number one, as a tight pelvic floor will limit bloodflow. There are however, many contributing factors. I can only speak on my own case, but when I drink alcohol my erections seem to last a while and I also get morning wood. Alcohol is a vasodilator and causes blood vessels to relax and widen(would be an interesting experiment for you). This is a heavy section as you can do everything from PE, to edging, to reducing ejaculations, to supplementing(naturally with NO) in order to increase bloodflow.

                Number three: Physical injury. Nerve damage, plaque buildup, etc. Less versed here but I am sure if you went through extensive doctor visits they would have found something via doppler or MRI. Time heals all wounds and the body is exceptional at this. I recommend deep tissue massage of your entire pelvic and penile region. I recently broke up what felt like a hard plaque in my left CC and I have already seen the benefit in bloodflow. Nerve issues can be arise if you tense your muscles up, thereby blocking signals to your penis(massage, stretching, and general awareness helps here). Which brings me to my last point....

                Number four: Psychological. It seems like everyone wants to write off the psychological aspects of ED as not a factor. It normally is in one way or another. The hardest part is that it is so ingrained in our psyche we begin to look at is as normal, to the point where it often goes unnoticed. I am no doctor but the discrepancies in your post are obvious. I.E putting the bathmate away after 2 more uses for no apparent reason...seems odd. Was there a specific point where you are sure you sustained an injury? How can you be so sure your ED is not from years of bad habits catching up to you.

                Anyways who am I to lecture, I am going through the same thing. My best guess is that its mainly a pelvic floor and bloodflow issue as well as possible bad masturbation and/or porn habits that you may have picked up(for example kegeling to obtain and maintain an erection can cause thin erections). Good luck mate, know this is a long process but as long as you work at it daily there is light at the end of the tunnel
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                • #9
                  OP that is a great advice from Wishful! Please take it to heart.
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                  • #10
                    Thank you Cockafor for remembering massage. Huge component. Well done.
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                    • #11
                      great friggin' story! Your road :So much you did, i did exactly.
                      I see you are struggling so i will take my time to give you my experience, more questions and a subjective opinion.

                      1st: As a young healthy lad you make a shit load of testosteron. When you get older it will become less and less until there is only a minimum of baseline. Pretty grim? Not really because it normally will work until your at least 50.

                      How did things change? A lot of things can have a affect on your testosteron level. You're way of living/work or how much stress your system can cope. A lot of stress - no extra testosteron. Much more reasons as previous testosteron boosters (sportsintakes), excessive masturbation (3x a day). a lot of sex CAN also result in a decrease.

                      There a ton of tricks to getting your testosterone where you want. Adjust you food a little and exercise a lot more. Or in the bare minimum: get more active.

                      My personal problem: Also my coinpurse is shrinking. I'm under a shit load of stress to the point i lie awake. It's getting better now 2017 is here. It's has to do with my work "all clients want to spend money at the end of the year"

                      Thats my problem, but i have a plan. Everyday a small step is getting you and me there.

                      2nd: I had a tube puched up my pipi hole for 3 times in a hospital to search what was wrong. absolutily nothing they say. Im having problems with my erections doc.

                      Alot of it is in the mind he says. I agreed. But then i tought about were the problem should be.
                      Evidence: Nothing looks physically different. Conclusion: It's must be something i can't see.

                      3rd
                      So tried to work on my "all in the head" mentality. Not working or slightly. So it must be something in the nerves.


                      4th: Same here bro. I alwas thing it is because of all the microtears across every cell in the penis. Also your vein where the urine goes true had a stretching. Maybe this is the reason.

                      Hope it helped a little!

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                      • #12
                        Well I like wishful and cockfors posts and I think it is pelvic floor related . Spasm in the pelvic floor can affect blood flow and nerve flow to the balls and dick .

                        A physio who does pelvic floor work would be a great help to you.

                        Stress/anxiety tenses up the muscles and is your enemy .

                        A back/pelvic problem can be a possible underlying cause of pelvic floor issues . Again a physio should hep with this.
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                        • #13
                          At one point long ago I had almost all those symptoms. Doctors did all kinds of similar things also. Camera into my bladder, ultrasounds, STD tests, and on and on. No diagnosis or solution. This was before I ever heard about pelvic floor anything. Coincidentally the symptoms dissipated when I worked squats and stretching back into my routine at the gym. Although I was clueless at the time, I look back now and think it must have been pelvic floor issues.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bored View Post
                            You aren't supposed to pee after ejaculation. Should wait at least 15 minutes, maybe more for some people. I had the same burning if I pee only a few minute afterwards.
                            You shouldn't? I always piss within 5 minutes, but never have felt any burning.

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                            • #15
                              Thank you all for the thoughtful responses!

                              General comments:

                              1. The first thing I'd say/add in response to everyone is that the main reason I believe it was a Bathmate injury that is responsible for at least the shrinkage/pain is that the pain occurs in precisely the same area where the Bathmate was exerting the uncomfortable pressure: always on the left side of the scrotum, never the right. Also, while the right testicle has also been affected, it is - again - mainly the left. Too much of a coincidence. I've tried to feel around my scrotum to locate the source of the pain, and it does seem to be a particular vein (though I've been unable to locate which specifically). I continue to wonder why it only ever occurs in the morning before I get out of bed. What is my body doing at that time that it doesn't normally do? I notice that if I sleep on my stomach, or especially on my sides, it can make the pain worse (the closing of the thighs exerts some kind of pressure in the wrong place).

                              2. Some of the explanations relating to the pelvic floor some of you suggested don't seem to explain the cycles with which the pain/shrinkage comes & goes (and no psychological explanation can possibly explain all of the symptoms - either individually or taken together). The main thing is that I wasn't doing anything (no jelqing, no kegels, or any other exercise) after I stopped using the Bathmate & before I began experiencing the problems. But I do, however, believe that the Bathmate injury may not necessarily be responsible for the loss of sensitivity to the penis. I have always found it strange that it took nearly 2 years in between the time I started experiencing, on the one hand, the pain/shrinkage/loss of blood flow and, on the other, the loss of penile sensitivity. The only thing I was doing at the time I lost sensitivity was masturbating, and I was masturbating quite a bit. Since then, I have tried to limit myself to 1 a day. Not easy. As I'm sure many of you will suggest, I may have to cut it out entirely for at least a period of time to see if there is any improvement (btw - if I do stop entirely, how long should I wait before I know whether or not that's the answer? 2 months? 3 months? I know it's not a science, but I'm just looking for a ballpark).

                              3. I have not been under any great mental stress over the last 3 years (thankfully!). I have a pretty easy-going life, I'm happy to say.

                              @Wishful10x8:

                              So do you think it's indeed a lack of blood flow to the testicles that's causing the shrinkage? That's what I've thought as well. But would that explain the morning pains, and that the pain/shrinkage comes and goes every few months (i.e. lack of consistency)? According to my doctor, the testosterone test I did in July 2016 turned out normal, so that doesn't appear to be it.

                              P.S. I workout twice a week.

                              @Cokafor:

                              Glad you're recovering! Your suggestion about alcohol is interesting. I rarely drink, so perhaps doing it more may, in some small way, improve my situation?

                              You mention nerve damage and that's one thing I've considered as an explanation as to why I've lost sensitivity in my penis. If that's the answer, what's the best solution? Refrain from masturbation entirely for a period of time?

                              As I say, no one will give me an MRI, but I'd love to have one...

                              "putting the Bathmate away after 2 more uses for no apparent reason...seems odd."

                              Sorry I wasn't clear earlier: I finally stopped using it because I wasn't getting any gains.

                              "Was there a specific point where you are sure you sustained an injury? How can you be so sure your ED is not from years of bad habits catching up to you."

                              Like I say, I stopped using it in December 2013 and didn't use or do anything else until February 2014, when I suddenly began experiencing pain/shrinkage in testcicles. Since I hadn't done anything else since - and since the pain was occurring in the exact location where the Bathmate was causing pressure - I have nothing else to attribute it to. Apart from using the Bathmate, I didn't really have any bad habits.

                              @Dutchson:

                              Sorry to hear about your problems!

                              "Also your vein where the urine goes true had a stretching. Maybe this is the reason."

                              Yes, I've thought about this as well. I originally wasn't going to mention it, because I'm almost sure it's unrelated to the other problems I'm having. I just thought I'd mention it for the hell of it. If I had to break all of the problems down into the 3 potentially unrelated categories, this is what I'd say:

                              1. Pain/shrinkage/loss of blood flow to penis/scrotum (most likely Bathmate)

                              2. Loss of sensitivity to penis (potential overmasturbation and/or nerve damage)

                              3. Minor/random/infrequent urinary/ejactulation ussue (not sure)

                              @Pegasus:

                              While I still remain doubtful about the pelvic suggestion (at least as it relates to the scrotum pain/testicile shrinkage), I certianly won't rule anything out! Should I ask my doctor about a referral to a physiotherapist?

                              P.S. I don't have any back problems.

                              @goinglarge:

                              But I'm assuming you weren't using a Bathmate... But I will put some more squats/stretches into my routine. It can't hurt!
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