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    I am not a doctor, however I have read much literature on ED, specifically in regards to my own symptoms and have been able to diagnose myself with very minor venous leakage. From what I understand, venous leakage is impossible to fix without surgery. This doesn't mean I won't try!

    Venous Leakage: Venous leakage refers to the inability (varying degrees) of the veins of the penis to trap the blood and maintain an erection. Severity of venous leakage varies greatly: severe cases where you are unable to achieve an erection at all, to very minor venous leakage which is only noticeable by the fact that erections are harder to maintain and subside more quickly than normal once pleasureable stimulation stops.

    My own personal venous leakage is relatively minor, I just lose my erections much easier than I should. I can maintain erections indefinitely while recieving stimulation, but begin to lose them quickly when stimulation ceases. Once I stimulate the erection comes back, however once stimulation stops the erection begins to decline once again. From what I understand you should be able to maintain a full erection for at least 30 seconds with no stimulation before it begins to decline. Mine begins to decline in about 5-30 seconds after stopping stimulation, meaning I have mild venous leakage but not always.

    I would like to know if anybody here feels they have similar symptoms, perhaps of varying degrees of severity. I would also like to hear theories on how to cure this condition. It is generally considered there is no cure besides surgery. Remember: this is a condition where bloodflow into the penis is fine, thus things like ginkgo biloba and arginine may be of little use since the problem is not arterial bloodflow into the penis, but rather too great a venous outflow of the penis.

    Theoretical Cures: Even if you have excellent arterial bloodflow into the penis, a venous leak can make maintaining an erection more difficult. Here are some theoretical therapies that may help very mild cases of venous leak which is what I have diagnosed myself with.

    1. Use cialis, levitra, or viagra. These drugs appear to be safe as long as they arent mixed with alcohol, and they work! I can maintain erections much more easily and for much longer periods without stimulation while under the effects of these drugs. Being an anti-drug person, it is heart breaking for me to use these drugs but the sad fact is that they work.

    2. Accept minor venous leakage, and compensate for it by focusing on pleasure and using positions and a sex style that minimizes reduced stimulation or other things which could reduce erection strength

    3. Optimize diet, nutrition, and health. This I have already done

    4. Use herbal supplements. Herbal supplements are essentially just drugs that are found in nature. They tend to be much weaker than synthetic drugs, often having no effect at all. Don't fool yourself into thinking natural = safe. Many poisons are found in nature as well. Regardless, it is possible that using blood thinning herbs like ginkgo biloba along with libido boosting herbs like maca, yohimbine, and ginseng along with other compounds such as L Arginine and green tea may boost sexual performance and help compensate for the venous leak. Unfortunately this doesnt cure the problem and is basically just an all natural and weaker version of using a drug such as cialis.

    5. Penile exercises to strengthen the penile veins, and train them to close and shut off more blood from escaping. While this is a possibility, I dont know of any science that shows that penile exercises can improve the penile veins ability to trap blood.

    6. Boost testosterone. There is a study that shows that testosterone therapy helped a 60 year old man who had a venous leak with low testosterone. Testosterone therapy cured his venous leak. Methods of boosting testosterone could include intense exercise and a diet geared towards high testosterone.

    7. Reduce stress hormones such as adrenaline and cortisol. Stress hormones are sex killers. Reducing them may lead to improved sexual function. Relaxation, meditation, and yoga may be effective. Intense exercise releases tremoundous amounts of stress hormones but these usually wear off shortly after exercise is finished so I wouldnt drop intense exercise.

    8. Boost dopamine. Being very relaxed, horny, and sleepy can boost dopamine and possibly improve sexual function.

    I am personally going to focus on all of these therapies. I will minimize the use of PDE5 inhibitor drug use since I am anti-drug however there is no denying that it is the most effective short term strategy of all and has its place in therapy. My main focus will be on the light penile exercises in a pseudo scientific attempt to improve vein function, along with natural sex boosters to attempt to over compensate for the increased venous outflow by simply increasing arterial inflow to its maximum levels. Questions, comments, and theories are welcome.
    Sexuallyblessed
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    Last edited by Sexuallyblessed; 04-01-2010, 04:00 PM.
    My goal here is to provide ideas and insight on methods for improving or eliminating mild erectile dysfunction.

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    Originally posted by Sexuallyblessed View Post
    5. Penile exercises to strengthen the penile veins, and train them to close and shut off more blood from escaping. While this is a possibility, I dont know of any science that shows that penile exercises can improve the penile veins ability to trap blood.
    To my understanding, isn't it the smooth muscle pressing against the tunica the function that cuts off the veins that take blood of the penis, not the veins themselves that "shut off"? As Remek says in the TGC theory:
    Originally posted by remek View Post
    The normal erection process:
    1. Something turns you on.
    2. The smooth muscle relaxes and blood flows into the penis.
    3. When the smooth muscle is completely relaxed, it presses against the tunica and cuts off the veins that take blood out of your penis, as in figure 2.
    4. An erection occurs

    So, when a penis is flaccid, the smooth muscle is contracted. When the penis is erect, the smooth muscle is completely relaxed and pushing on the tunica.
    So if this statement is true then I'd have to say strengthening your smooth muscle in your penis (girth exercises) would increase your EQ and lessen the symptoms of venous leakage. Can anyone confirm this or is venous leakage something more?
    Started on 03/04/2010
    BPEL:6.69" EG:5.06"
    Current as of 06/17/2010
    BPEL:7.18" EG:5.25

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    • #3
      Remember that I am self diagnosing myself based on the symptoms I have (erection subsides faster than normal once stimulation stops) with very minor venous leakage. I could be completely wrong, but from hours upon hours of online research it is my best diagnosis for the condition of losing erection faster than normal.

      "LOL" That sounds like a reasonable theory. I don't do any stretching or length exercises for this reason. As far as I know, Jelqs are the best girth exercise right? From my experience with jelqs I get the following results.

      Light Jelq Workout: Reduced EQ for a few hours, slight increase in EQ thereafter and fleshier penis
      Moderate or Hard Jelqinginq: Reduced EQ for several days, fleshier and thicker penis however lowered EQ

      Do you have similar symptoms as me, and are these jelqing results similar with the norm?
      My goal here is to provide ideas and insight on methods for improving or eliminating mild erectile dysfunction.

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      • #4
        I'm hard set on JP's beginner routine, which doesn't overwork me, so I always feel pretty good. After my jelqing I always have a blood red thick dick, and then after a few it just goes to normal.. no absence of any ability.

        By "hard" jelq workout do you mean a tight grip? Because thats a big no-no. Or do you mean high reps? Which can also be a big no-no, if your penis isn't conditioned to it. That can be why you you're losing EQ: overwork.
        Started on 03/04/2010
        BPEL:6.69" EG:5.06"
        Current as of 06/17/2010
        BPEL:7.18" EG:5.25

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        • #5
          Just like after I do a set of bench press, my chest feels weak and I have worse chest strength until my muscles recover which takes about 3 minutes. After a hard chest workout in the gym, for example, my chest will be weaker than it was before I walked into the gym for a few days until the muscles heal. After the muscles have healed, my chest is now stronger than it was before the workout.

          Similary with Jelqs I find that my erection quality is reduced for a period of time after doing them, but improves a few days later. I am comparing apples to oranges since the penis is not a skeletal muscle and is a smooth muscle but this principal holds true for me.

          As for moderate and hard jelqs, I was referring to a stronger grip strength and longer exercise duration. The harder the grip strength and duration of jeqling, the lower my EQ is after jelqinq. This is why I am doing light jelqs only twice a week right now because they only reduce my EQ for a couple hours after doing them rather than a few days.
          My goal here is to provide ideas and insight on methods for improving or eliminating mild erectile dysfunction.

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          • #6
            You really can't make a diagnosis of venous leak based on your symptoms. All you can really say is that you are having some relatively mild erectile dysfunction.

            If you wanted to establish this diagnosis, you would have to have a doppler ultrasound study done. The hallmark of venous leak is sustained high flow in the cavernosal arteries as well as the dorsal vein of the penis, with simulataneous loss of erection. Ordinarily the flow in the dorsal vein draining the penis falls off as full erection is achieved.

            You might have venous leak, but you are really just guessing, and there seems to have been a lot of that going on recently.

            I am not up on the latest physiology, but I believe that so-called veno-occlusive disorder of the penis is still poorly understood. As the sinusoids within the corpora cavernosa expand, they are limited by the tunica. The expanded sinusoids are thought to press up against the tunica resulting in compression and collapse of the venous channels that drain into the dorsal vein tributaries, thereby trapping blood within the corpora.

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            • #7
              Yes I agree, a mild venous leak is simply the best fit for my symptoms: Easy to achieve erections but difficult to maintain without stimulation. I could be wrong in my self diagnosis but nothing else seems to fit. What would your personal diagnosis and reccomendations be for the symptoms I have described. The form of ED I describe makes losing an erection much easier than normal if pleasure stops, focus stops, a distraction occurs, there is a position change, or some other interruption in sex.
              Sexuallyblessed
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              Last edited by Sexuallyblessed; 04-01-2010, 05:09 PM.
              My goal here is to provide ideas and insight on methods for improving or eliminating mild erectile dysfunction.

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              • #8
                Sexually blessed do you wake up with erections that dont subside before 30 seconds?
                My Wings Are Electric.

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                • #9
                  And how old are you, Sexuallyblessed?

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                  • #10
                    Yes I wake up with erections. They begin to subside within 10 seconds of standing up however (with no stimulation). I am 29 and my erectile function has gradually improved with age oddly enough. I didnt have morning erections very often from about 18-27, maybe only a couple times per week. At 28 I started ejaculating less frequently per week (used to ejaculate almost daily) and started edging without ejaculating about twice per week. This boosted my morning erections to five or six days per week.
                    Sexuallyblessed
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                    Last edited by Sexuallyblessed; 04-01-2010, 10:54 PM.
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                    • #11
                      they subside for me once i get up to, but if i lay there they can remain a bit longer. I thought i had a venous leak as well but i honestly dont think i do anymore.
                      My Wings Are Electric.

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                      • #12
                        I think there is different severity of venous leak. Maybe venous leak is not the correct term, but there is something that is causing the penis to lose its erection faster than it should. Logic says that the blood isnt trapped properly, and that is why the erection is subsiding faster than it should once stimulation stops.

                        I think a baseline needs to be established for how long you are supposed to be able to stay erect with no stimulation, no porn, nothing. Once this baseline is established, figure out how much faster your erection subsides than normal and that would indicate how bad the leak is. If the leak is moderate, it is possible that the erection would be hard to keep even during stimulation, and if its severe it wouldnt get erect at all.

                        Once again, this is all theory and I am just basing it on logic.
                        My goal here is to provide ideas and insight on methods for improving or eliminating mild erectile dysfunction.

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                        • #13
                          My theory is i have jerked off so long to porn that my dick is used to being stimulated with my hand, so when i dont use my hand.. i go limp.
                          My Wings Are Electric.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sexuallyblessed View Post
                            I think a baseline needs to be established for how long you are supposed to be able to stay erect with no stimulation, no porn, nothing. Once this baseline is established, figure out how much faster your erection subsides than normal and that would indicate how bad the leak is. If the leak is moderate, it is possible that the erection would be hard to keep even during stimulation, and if its severe it wouldnt get erect at all.
                            Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think there is any fixed baseline. EQ and the length of time a guy can keep an erection without direct stimulation varies with age. I believe EQ and performance peak at about age 19 for most guys. If men respond truthfully, I expect that virtually everyone over that age would say that they "don't get quite as hard or stay as hard as they used to." THAT IS NORMAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT. It is not a sign that anything is wrong. By doing PE and kegeling and edging, and giving up porn and excessive masturbation, most guys can improve their EQ and length of time they can keep an erection. Just because you see changes over what you were once able to do -- that does not mean that you have a venous leak.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sexuallyblessed View Post
                              I think there is different severity of venous leak. Maybe venous leak is not the correct term, but there is something that is causing the penis to lose its erection faster than it should. Logic says that the blood isnt trapped properly, and that is why the erection is subsiding faster than it should once stimulation stops.

                              I think a baseline needs to be established for how long you are supposed to be able to stay erect with no stimulation, no porn, nothing. Once this baseline is established, figure out how much faster your erection subsides than normal and that would indicate how bad the leak is. If the leak is moderate, it is possible that the erection would be hard to keep even during stimulation, and if its severe it wouldnt get erect at all.

                              Once again, this is all theory and I am just basing it on logic.
                              I am wondering if your erection is fine other than not holding an erection as long. Like do the glands engorge proprely or fully? That's what I find mostly If masturbate and let go of my erection the head drains fairly quickly yet the rest of the shaft remains hard. I am going to try and see another uroligist soon to get some tests done. I have come to the conclusion that I may have Corpus Spongoism damage (I am certain I have had this for years) hence why the glands don't enorge well and go soft quickly. Surgery seems to be the only real way to "fix" venous leakage but the results aren't that successful from what I have read and heard.

                              they subside for me once i get up to, but if i lay there they can remain a bit longer. I thought i had a venous leak as well but i honestly dont think i do anymore.
                              Yeah same here If I lye in bed my erection will last for a good while without touching it, or if I lye on my side the glands seem to get a bit more full as well. Yet as soon as I get up my erection dies quickly. I probably have venous leakage but I thought someone who who has a leak will loose their erection in ANY position, whether standing, sitting or lying down.
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                              Last edited by UKGuy; 04-01-2010, 08:15 PM.

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