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    I think my problem stem back from 2010 when I was masturbating with a condom and gripped the base to climax and felt a short pain next day I had a meet up with my out of state gf at the time & tried to have sex and it was hard to keep an erection thought it was from anxiety tried days later and still couldn't penetrate and penis seem different in flaccid state. after she left town was nervous about my sexual health scheduled doctor appointment for hormone panel & went to urologist who all said that nothing was wrong with me. have ALL the symptoms of HF kept going to doctor about hormones with the same outcome. find out about sexual exhaustion, no fap, etc kept thinking my issue was because of low hormones. had hair analysis to say I was missing mineral and adrenals etc

    fast forward to 2013 & 4k in debt got tired of going to doctors & looking at forum post with no hope. just said fuck it went on with life met my now current gf 2013 started sex back up 2015 and till 2018 . even when I tried to forget about hf I still had constant pelvic pain & my flaccid penis has steady been shrinking more. I have moved in with gf and never told her about this issue. she never seen pre hf flaccid to think over wise last time we had sex was last friday since I been avoiding the act and cannot get a erection as before even lookin at porn. the only reason I looked into hard flaccid again I was looking at adrenal fatigue info which lead me to nofap & updated links about people who cured HF



    I been so many routes , sexual exhaustion, nofap over masturbation, hormone panels , propecia/fin even though I never took the stuff. naturopaths,
    nutritionist. 8 years im 33 now. Think im gonna tell my gf whats goin on with me because im all out of options. My current gf never saw my pre healthy flaccid so she thinks im just a grower.

    here's old labs from 2010-11 , I even had more test ran for hormones & minerals etc in 2014
    Aug 2010
    Total Testosterone
    410 Range 300-1080
    SHBG
    20 Range 11-80
    Testosterone Free
    96 Range 47-244
    Testosterone % Free
    2.3 Range 1.6-2.9
    TSH
    0.63 Range 0.36-43.9

    Sept 2010
    Estradiol 55pg (13-54)
    FSH 3.5 (1.6-8.0)
    LH 6.3 (1.5-9.3)
    Free T3 1.27 (0.93-1.70)
    TSH 0.67 (0.27-4.20)
    Prolactin 5.2 (2.0-18.0)
    Free Testosterone 117.2 pg (35.0-155.0)
    % Free Testosterone 2.47 % (1.5-2.2)
    total test 475 (250 - 1100)

    Nov 2010
    Estradiol 67 (13-54)
    FSH 3.4 (1.6-8.0)
    LH 6.6 (1.5-9.3)
    Free Testosterone 106.8 (35. - 155.0)
    % Free Testosterone 2.15% (1.5-2.2)
    total Testosterone 497 (250-1100)
    Vitamin D 25h 33 (30-100)
    magnesium 1.96 (1.6-2.2)
    Cortisol am 20.11 (6.2-19.4)
    DHEA Sulfate 293 (110-510)


    started bioidentical testosterone cream in Jan 2011 stopped after 3 weeks made shrinkage of penis/scrotum/and testicles worser.
    FEb 2011
    Testosterone total 322 (241-827)
    Free Test 9.0 (6.0-27.0)
    SHBG 16 ( 13-71)
    Gonadortropin 5.0 (4.0-8.0)
    PSA 0.5
    Cortisol 5 (2-25)
    FSH 6.9 (1.3-11.4)
    Progesterone 0.5 (.15-1.15)
    Prolactin 2.5 (3.0-30.0)
    Free t4 1.26 (.73-1.95)
    TSH 0.8 (.3-5.1)
    Free t3 3.3 (2.3-4.2)
    estradiol 22.1 (10 - 42)
    estrone 10.7 (9-36)
    total estrogens 32.8 (19-69)



    March 2011 Saliva Test
    progesterone 89 (5-95pg/ml)
    androstenedione 480 (151-350 pg /ml)
    testosterone >200 (60-110 pg/ml)
    dht >125 (22-72 pg/ml)
    estrone 88 (30-58 pg/ml)
    estradiol 7 (1-3pg/ml)
    FSH >750 (<125 uiu/ml)
    LH >250 (10-25 uiu/ml)
    cortisol
    6-8 am 10 (13-24)
    11-1pm 11(5-10)
    4-5pm 6 (3-8 )
    10- midnight 3 (1-4)
    dhea >25 (3-10 ng/nil)

    March 2011 bloodwork 300iu shot, then 200iu of hcg daily for about a week, 2 weeks later
    total test 584

    April 2011 one 400mg shot of Test E
    total t 1490 (250-1100)
    free t 410 (35.0-155)
    tsh 0.400 (0.340-4.820)

    May 2011
    free t4 1.46 (0.73-1.95)
    TSH 1.3 (0.3-5.1)
    Estradiol 38 (<63)
    FSH 6.2 (1.3-11.4)
    LH 8.0 (1.2-7.8 )
    prolactin 5.7 (3.0-30.0)
    testoosterone 511 (241-827)
    shbg 23 (13-71)
    free t 13.0 (6.0- 27.0)
    IGF-I 333 (116-358)
    dhea 288 (240-549)
    vitamin d3 93 (30-100)
    psa 0.6 (<4.0)

    here are some out of range items
    cholesterol 214 (<200)
    LdL chol 153 (<100)
    ratio LDL/HDL 3.72 (<3.55)

    blood count
    rbc 6.52 (4.10-11.0)
    hematocrit 51.8 (37-49)
    MCV 79.4 (80--100)
    MCH 25.9 (27-34)
    neutrophils 38 (40-74)
    lymphocytes 49 (19-48 )



    when my penis was semi still decent when I first started having problems.

    may 26 2011
    http://oi46.tinypic.com/24bkbq8.jpg

    http://oi45.tinypic.com/68qyp2.jpg


    my penis currently now seem like my testicles and penis are going inside my body on a daily basis

    current flaccid penis december 2012

    http://oi47.tinypic.com/op75u1.jpg

    nov 2018 http://i66.tinypic.com/2hocsgo.jpg
    helpisontheway
    Junior Member
    Last edited by helpisontheway; 11-28-2018, 11:03 PM.

  • #2
    I hate that there is no clear cure and clear reason for Hard Flaccid.

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    • #3
      A central point in hf is anxiety etc . On the physical side it is a pelvic floor issue .

      By the way your testosterone is low but that may be a side issue at this time.

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      • #4
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        • #5
          So the problem is visual? If you can have sex decently, the visual problem is all in Your Head. Your gf provably doesn’t really care about how your flaccid Penis looks

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          • #6
            No it's not all visual

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            • #7
              I've had HF for 10 years. Its not the visual aspect that bothers me, but rather the lower libido, weaker erections, longer refractory periods etc. I have a different theory on what causes HF, but with zero proof I'm hesitant to bring it up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fendool View Post
                I've had HF for 10 years. Its not the visual aspect that bothers me, but rather the lower libido, weaker erections, longer refractory periods etc. I have a different theory on what causes HF, but with zero proof I'm hesitant to bring it up.
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                • #9
                  HansTwilight has a lot of good info on the HF. I also side with Pegasus in that it's related to a pelvic floor issue. I'd suggest looking for a physiotherapist that specializes in pelvic floor issues, but they're hard to find and you might need to travel to find one.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Big Al View Post
                    Please feel free to express yourself here.
                    Sure. There are a number of assumptions/claims that I make without scientific backing/proof (it might exist, I just haven't found it). I have bolded these.

                    Nitric oxide (NO) is believed to be the main vasoactive nonadrenergic, noncholinergic neurotransmitter and chemical mediator of penile erection i.e. it is largely responsible for tumescence.

                    De-tumescence is controlled by sympathetic responses through release of norepinephrine, which induces smooth muscle constriction, vasoconstriction, and penile flaccidity. Note, norepinephrine half-life is only around 2-3 minutes.

                    The interplay between NO and Norepiephrine determines where your penis is on the tumescence-detumescence scale. I actually did find a study once that measured penile norepinephrine in men with ED and it was found to be significantly higher than subjects without ED. I'll try to locate it again.

                    Some examples where norepinephrine dominance occurs are:
                    • In cold weather, norepinephrine is released to shrink your dick and balls to reduce surface area and keep your testies warm.
                    • In flight or fight situations norepinphrine is realeased to protect your dick from injury in the case of a fight and to reduce wind drag and increase running speed if you choose flight
                    • In physical activity (like going to the gym) norepinephrine is realeased to divert blood to the working muscles


                    Some example where norepinephrine is reduced or NO dominance occurs are:
                    • Urinating activates parasympathetic nervous system. Norepinephrine is reduced. Hard-flaccid suffers comment that HF goes away during urination.
                    • Sleep. Norepinephrine is at its lowest during sleep and these lower levels have been theorised to contribute to morning wood. HF suffers comment that although they don't get morning wood HF symptoms are relieved first thing in the morning.
                    • PDE5 inhibitors. Increase NO. Reduces HF symptoms.


                    Claim 1: Norepinephrine release can be local (not just systematic). For example, imagine your in the the Bahamas, relaxing by the pool reading a Buddhist text. Also imagine that your cock is in an ice cold bucket of water. I think you'd still have a shrunken penis (due to norepinephrine) even though the rest of your body is in full parasympathetic (relaxed) mode. This also ties in nicely with claim 2 below. When we PE its only our dick that is affected.

                    Claim 2: 'turtling' after PE is likely due to norepinephrine release. Your dick doesn't like being jelqued, stretched clamped etc and norepinephrine is released to 'protect' it.

                    Claim 3: Hard-flaccid is chronic 'turtling'. For some reason, HF sufferers have elevated level of local norepinphrine.

                    And that's really the key question in my mind, what causes the constant norepinephrine release in HF sufferers long after PE exercises? Is it muscular? An injury that hasn't healed correctly? something else? Some kind of weird feedback loop? something else? etc.

                    Also, whats the connection with DHT? We know that people on fin can suffer from HF too. Is there an interplay between Norepinephrine and DHT?

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                    • #11
                      Or they could have anxiety which would cause elevated cortosol ,norpinephrine etc.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
                        Or they could have anxiety which would cause elevated cortosol ,norpinephrine etc.
                        how do you explain turtling then?

                        Also, are you suggesting that I've been anxious 24/7 for the past 10 years?

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                        • #13
                          Turtling is also a symptom, not a thing unto itself.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fendool View Post
                            how do you explain turtling then?

                            Also, are you suggesting that I've been anxious 24/7 for the past 10 years?
                            Anxiety will cause turtling .

                            Yes I am.

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                            • #15
                              Look, testosterone is effected because of the lack of exercise , lack of movement and severe depression/anxiety caused by the injuries/turtling/hard flaccid people got via jelqing, using an extender, other ways of pe and/or clenching their pelvic floors during masturbation/sex. Raising your testosterone won’t reverse hard flaccid/ turtling and Ed..I was treated for low testosterone and it was brought up to an 800-850 , and I felt absolutely no difference at all. Anxiety is caused by this shitty problem in the first place. You have to release your pelvic floor, I noticed that by doing the hans protocol I feel relieved, turtling goes down, clenching goes down, morning wood comes back, pelvic pain goes away etc. Raising your testosterone WILL not reverse hf and turtling , idk where these guys get this shit from. Your pelvic floor is tight, and you got anxiety from this. It’s not the cause, tackle the root of the problem via reverse kegels, hindi squats and diaphragm breathing. Learn to keep your body from constantly clenching your ass muscles (pelvic muscles) it works wonders. Everyone with anxiety and low testoerone doesn’t suffer from turtling and hard flaccid, it’s ridiculous to thing that.

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