Can you make gains by using an extender?The answer is YES and NO.
Yes if you use it correctly
No if you use it wrongly
In this thread I ll do my best to explain everything an extending guy needs in order to have OPTIMAL gains by using the extending method.
First of all lets rule out all the misconceptions that have been spread over the years in order for the extender user to know what to avoid and how to think properly for optimal gains.
"Lets make clear that extenders manufacturers have no idea about the optimal use of their product.
They are just manufacturers … they are making a good or a bad product and that s it.
The optimal way of how to use it comes from studying the gainers and non gainers threads of the big PE forums over the years.
It’s the biggest study and its unbiased."
Misconception No1.
After X amount of hours the average gain will be X.
This is the biggest trap and we see it in every case… simply because if you are using your extender wrongly you can have zero gains after 10.000h but if you are using it correctly you can have gains even from the 1st 200h.
Misconception No2.
The more hours you do per day the fastest and biggest gains you are gonna have.
This is the worst advice that a non knowledgable person (in the matter of extending)could give to an extender user.
Your dick tissues has a retraction mechanism if you overtrain them( and yes extending can easily overtrain your tissues) so no gains can happen…forever!
Misconception No3.
Rest days are counterproductive when you are using an extender.
This is also one of the worst advices because with no rest days no PE program can work…
And even if it will work… it will for some weeks… then you will also hit the tissues overtraining and you will hit a plateau.
Misconception No4.
You have to use a big intensity or a big length of the rods( depending of if your extender has springs or not) in order to feel a big stretch in the extender.
This is completely mistaken and it also leads to no gains.( seen in every non gainer thread)
Extending is a form of PE that is based on a big volume( I ll explain later what big volume means) and NOT on big intensity.
If you like big intensities then extending have no place in your PE program… so you have to go for manuals or hanging that they involve a small volume.
Big intensity+Big volume= no gains forever.
Now lets get deep into WHY all of the above conclusions are wrong.
1st of all OUR HUGE STUDY ( the threads of thousants extending guys) have shown over and over that the biggest gainers where the ones that were doing on average 3h/day(2 to 4 actualy) on a small tension of 400 to 600 grams and they were taking 2 rest days/week and at some points they were also taking 2 or even 3 days of rest in a row and after 2-3 months they were taking weekly breaks..
And the most of the fails were the ones that were using volumes of more than 5h/day with an intensity of 1000+ grams on average with no rest days.
IF YOU DON T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAID THEN YOU ARE FREE TO SPEND HOURS UPON HOURS FOR READING ALL THESE THREADS(as I did) AND YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION RESULT.
My extending case showed the exact same results too.
Your job with ANY PE method is to have continious progress on your MFSL.
If your method can NOT do that… there are 2 reasons .
This gains in the MFSL will be translated soon or later into EL gains because plastic deformation will happen.
If your method can NOT make you gain MFSL then you can do it for the rest of your life and gain zero.
So you are giving the PRODUCTIVE STIMULUS and then you let the tissues recover in order to get ready for the NEXT day session.
IF your tissues are not able to recover from the BIG stimulus that you gave them then they will become STIFFER( not stretchable) and shorter.
This is the reason of WHY there are so many failures in the extending guys cases.
These guys are not able to gain MFSL inside the extender and as they continue overtraining they are even losing their initial little gains in their MFSL.
Ok now that you know the basics lets proceed in the details a that are also of big importance.
There are 2 types of extenders
If you have bought an extender that has spring markings… do NOT trust the manufacturer tension measurement because they are stupid and the tensions in most Brands are completely differect.
So you are the one that should count the tension markings by using a kitchen scale. ( the how to can by found in the forum threads).
PRODUCTIVE INTENSITY
Your dick in the extender under the spring tension should NOT be tight… meaning that the tension have to be low…
Your dick have to be able to get a little bent when you are pushing your finger on your shaft while being under the tension.
The tension that creates this effect is maximum around 500grams.
If you are using length progressions then make sure to put so many rods that allow the same shaft effect to happen and when you see that from the 1st session of the day your dick is very loose in the extender under the same rod length … then its time to add a small rod increament od 0.2 to 0,5 cm and repeat the proccess after 5 to 10 days that your dick will have gained MFSL( and possible EL) and it will be loose once again.
ALL of the non gainers they were describing the pulling as an uncomfortable/little painfull pulling.
Your dick should feel like its in dick vacations in the extender if you want to make gains.
Now that we spoke about the productive intensity lets talk about the productive volume.
PRODUCTIVE VOLUME
You should always be doing 1h extending sets… anything more than that is risking a glans injury either you are using a strap or a vac extender.
When you will finish your set you will take 30 mins of rest NOT less.
Then you will go for your next set and do the same and then 1 more set.
So 1h / 30m break / 1h /30m break / 1h END OF DAILY VOLUME.
The 3h has shown to be the sweet spot for most of the extending big gainers. ( there are some exceptions of cource).
PRODUCTIVE FREQUENCY
The rule here is to workout 5 days/week and take 2 rest days.
The best way to do it is by not doing more than 3 workout days in a row… the 4th day should be a rest day to let the tissues adapt and recover.
So the perfect frequency is 3on/1off-2on/1off and every 3d week throw 2 days of rest in a row.
DEEPER RECOVERY BREAKS FOR CONTINUE GROWTH
Every 3 months on the program take 1 week off for deeper recovery for continious growth.
That’s all.
Yes if you use it correctly
No if you use it wrongly
In this thread I ll do my best to explain everything an extending guy needs in order to have OPTIMAL gains by using the extending method.
First of all lets rule out all the misconceptions that have been spread over the years in order for the extender user to know what to avoid and how to think properly for optimal gains.
"Lets make clear that extenders manufacturers have no idea about the optimal use of their product.
They are just manufacturers … they are making a good or a bad product and that s it.
The optimal way of how to use it comes from studying the gainers and non gainers threads of the big PE forums over the years.
It’s the biggest study and its unbiased."
Misconception No1.
After X amount of hours the average gain will be X.
This is the biggest trap and we see it in every case… simply because if you are using your extender wrongly you can have zero gains after 10.000h but if you are using it correctly you can have gains even from the 1st 200h.
Misconception No2.
The more hours you do per day the fastest and biggest gains you are gonna have.
This is the worst advice that a non knowledgable person (in the matter of extending)could give to an extender user.
Your dick tissues has a retraction mechanism if you overtrain them( and yes extending can easily overtrain your tissues) so no gains can happen…forever!
Misconception No3.
Rest days are counterproductive when you are using an extender.
This is also one of the worst advices because with no rest days no PE program can work…
And even if it will work… it will for some weeks… then you will also hit the tissues overtraining and you will hit a plateau.
Misconception No4.
You have to use a big intensity or a big length of the rods( depending of if your extender has springs or not) in order to feel a big stretch in the extender.
This is completely mistaken and it also leads to no gains.( seen in every non gainer thread)
Extending is a form of PE that is based on a big volume( I ll explain later what big volume means) and NOT on big intensity.
If you like big intensities then extending have no place in your PE program… so you have to go for manuals or hanging that they involve a small volume.
Big intensity+Big volume= no gains forever.
Now lets get deep into WHY all of the above conclusions are wrong.
1st of all OUR HUGE STUDY ( the threads of thousants extending guys) have shown over and over that the biggest gainers where the ones that were doing on average 3h/day(2 to 4 actualy) on a small tension of 400 to 600 grams and they were taking 2 rest days/week and at some points they were also taking 2 or even 3 days of rest in a row and after 2-3 months they were taking weekly breaks..
And the most of the fails were the ones that were using volumes of more than 5h/day with an intensity of 1000+ grams on average with no rest days.
IF YOU DON T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAID THEN YOU ARE FREE TO SPEND HOURS UPON HOURS FOR READING ALL THESE THREADS(as I did) AND YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION RESULT.
My extending case showed the exact same results too.
Your job with ANY PE method is to have continious progress on your MFSL.
If your method can NOT do that… there are 2 reasons .
- Undertraining
- Overtraining
This gains in the MFSL will be translated soon or later into EL gains because plastic deformation will happen.
If your method can NOT make you gain MFSL then you can do it for the rest of your life and gain zero.
So you are giving the PRODUCTIVE STIMULUS and then you let the tissues recover in order to get ready for the NEXT day session.
IF your tissues are not able to recover from the BIG stimulus that you gave them then they will become STIFFER( not stretchable) and shorter.
This is the reason of WHY there are so many failures in the extending guys cases.
These guys are not able to gain MFSL inside the extender and as they continue overtraining they are even losing their initial little gains in their MFSL.
Ok now that you know the basics lets proceed in the details a that are also of big importance.
There are 2 types of extenders
- The ones with springs tension markings
- The ones that are using rod length progressions( they can also have springs but the spring job in this case is not for being compressed while you are in them… they are just there just for making you able to put the front piece on the rods my compressing them… one example of this type is the Andromedical extender).
If you have bought an extender that has spring markings… do NOT trust the manufacturer tension measurement because they are stupid and the tensions in most Brands are completely differect.
So you are the one that should count the tension markings by using a kitchen scale. ( the how to can by found in the forum threads).
PRODUCTIVE INTENSITY
Your dick in the extender under the spring tension should NOT be tight… meaning that the tension have to be low…
Your dick have to be able to get a little bent when you are pushing your finger on your shaft while being under the tension.
The tension that creates this effect is maximum around 500grams.
If you are using length progressions then make sure to put so many rods that allow the same shaft effect to happen and when you see that from the 1st session of the day your dick is very loose in the extender under the same rod length … then its time to add a small rod increament od 0.2 to 0,5 cm and repeat the proccess after 5 to 10 days that your dick will have gained MFSL( and possible EL) and it will be loose once again.
ALL of the non gainers they were describing the pulling as an uncomfortable/little painfull pulling.
Your dick should feel like its in dick vacations in the extender if you want to make gains.
Now that we spoke about the productive intensity lets talk about the productive volume.
PRODUCTIVE VOLUME
You should always be doing 1h extending sets… anything more than that is risking a glans injury either you are using a strap or a vac extender.
When you will finish your set you will take 30 mins of rest NOT less.
Then you will go for your next set and do the same and then 1 more set.
So 1h / 30m break / 1h /30m break / 1h END OF DAILY VOLUME.
The 3h has shown to be the sweet spot for most of the extending big gainers. ( there are some exceptions of cource).
PRODUCTIVE FREQUENCY
The rule here is to workout 5 days/week and take 2 rest days.
The best way to do it is by not doing more than 3 workout days in a row… the 4th day should be a rest day to let the tissues adapt and recover.
So the perfect frequency is 3on/1off-2on/1off and every 3d week throw 2 days of rest in a row.
DEEPER RECOVERY BREAKS FOR CONTINUE GROWTH
Every 3 months on the program take 1 week off for deeper recovery for continious growth.
That’s all.
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