Hanging 101

[blink2000]

1-No (the details are already in hanging 101, it appears you did not read it)
2-already explained in detail in hanging 101, I can't see how you can miss it. Go back & check again, its there.
3-I'll answer with a paraphrase from Bib "gains are like the stock market. although they fluctuate up and down depending on the day, the trend is always upward"

Some days you'll measure shorter. Often I think it's just EQ, but sometimes it might be other issues. This happens with any type of PE routine. The best thing to do is keep going, and watch your PI's etc, make adjustments as needed to maintain growth.

[growingstrong]

1-No (the details are already in hanging 101, it appears you did not read it)
2-already explained in detail in hanging 101, I can't see how you can miss it. Go back & check again, its there.
3-I'll answer with a paraphrase from Bib "gains are like the stock market. although they fluctuate up and down depending on the day, the trend is always upward"

Some days you'll measure shorter. Often I think it's just EQ, but sometimes it might be other issues. This happens with any type of PE routine. The best thing to do is keep going, and watch your PI's etc, make adjustments as needed to maintain growth.

Ok so u cant clamp on the same day but what if u had an off day from hanging would it be ok to clamp then.

[blink2000]

Ok so u cant clamp on the same day but what if u had an off day from hanging would it be ok to clamp then.

Hanging + Clamping = No
If you have the energy to do something on your off-day, hang again. Don't clamp. Pull the crimps out of your ligs. Heal longer, not shorter.

Divide & Conquer
Focus on one thing at a time. Don't expect to make massive length and girth gains at the same time, it doesn't work. Pick one thing and focus. As Bib would say "Divide & Conquer". Focus on elongating your penile tissues with some controlled damage, micro-tears, creep & deformation--the kind created by hanging. Maximize your lig gains, and later work on tunica gains until you reach your ultimate length goals. Once you do that, move on to a girth routine.

Don't ever try to mix hanging with any type of advanced girth routine.

Hanging = Dangerous. Don't Get Greedy & Add to That.
Deforming and changing your penis through controlled damage is a dangerous process, and should done with caution. People that push hard for overnight results may be disappointed with poor gains or injuries. Hanging done properly already weakens your penile tissues through fatigue and controlled damage. If you're hanging to the limit of your ability, then you're riding the fatigue. It will make your dick longer. Trying to push things even further with advanced girth routines is dangerous, & perhaps greedy.

No Fatigue = Bad Technique
If you're not getting enough fatigue, you're not hanging right. And if you are getting fatigue, why would you want to take a huge risk & do something that has been demonstrated to fail? The anecdotal data we have suggests Hanging + Clamping = Fail.

I suggest you try hanging correctly, with proper technique to start out. Learn to do it the right way first. Then once you understand Bib's methods & the methods I'm trying to share, feel free to change them. Until then, why change a formula that works? (If it's not broken, don't "fix" it.)

Hanging works... it delivers results. Why tamper with that?

[blink2000]

With that said, I'll do clamping, ulis & maybe even horse440s & plump bends eventually--but not while I'm hanging. "Divide & Conquer". Be patient, consistent, & methodical & you will get your results.

Adding advanced girth work to your hanging routine is dangerous when you are already pushing yourself to the absolute limit. Do what you want, but I advise against this.

[travelerbro]

I read your thread and you refer to "fulcrum" but I do not see it in your terms list. Can you please explain? Thanks in advance.

[blink2000]

I read your thread and you refer to "fulcrum" but I do not see it in your terms list. Can you please explain? Thanks in advance.

ful·crum (flkrm, fl-)
n. pl. ful·crums or ful·cra (-kr)
1. The point or support on which a lever pivots.

Guys with DT (Dorsal Thickening) or guys that have moved on to tunica work benefit more from fulcrums. Once you finish maximizing suspensory ligament gains, fulcrums are excellent for creating tunica fatigue.

For example, the RSDT is just a gentle curve.... when you put your penis over the fulcrum & hang weight from your penis, it creates fatigue all along your tunica.

Some guys use other devices, usually at least 2.5"+ in diameter can be used as a fulcrum (you can use a thinner fulcrum, but most guys say it is too painful, so that's your own choice). You can hang over, or under a fulcrum at SU or SD angles (respectively). You could even use a fulcrum and hang to the right or left from an SO angle (the only limitation is your imagination).

Usually guys use some kind of padding over the fulcrum, although the RSDT (Rice Sock Duct Tape Fulcrum) is already pretty soft, so there's no need in that case.

Some guys find that part of their tunica may turn to steel over the course of their PE career. A fulcrum is probably the most effective way to target & soften the most hardened tunica tissues, creating controlled damage, fatigue & deformation (length gains).

[calixto]

How do you know when you have maximized your suspensory ligament gains? Just curious.

[blink2000]

How do you know when you have maximized your suspensory ligament gains? Just curious.

Calixto: That's a very difficult question. It's one I've been pondering lately. I have a few ideas on this subject that might be helpful. In other words, here's some theory along with my own speculation.

At some point hanging BTC just wont work anymore, either when your LOT reaches 6 O'Clock (straight down) or your ligament deformation will appear to be 'maximized', & increased weight will only give you tunica gains. In effect, when your BTC / SD hanging gains really start to plateau, & you can't shift your LOT down anymore, some might say you've maximized your ligament gains. However, you could just switch to a higher angle for a while (see-saw effect), then after a few months you could see if you can get your LOT lower than it was before.

The See-Saw effect is something Bib did to achieve his gains (2.25" of which he believes came from ligament deformation achieved by changing his LOT from 9 to 6). Other guys have tried it & from the reports we have, it appears to work (i.e. anecdotal evidence suggests this works).

Here's a post explaining the See-Saw Effect In Detail:
See-Saw Effect (with Commentary from Bib)

At the two extremes we have:
LOT 9: the penis exits the body straight out
LOT 6: the penis exits the body straight down

See-Saw Effect Example
Let's say I started at LOT 8, and I managed to shift my LOT to 7 by hanging SD/BTC and at this time I seemed to plateau (I couldn't shift my package down further for a month or two). Let's say I decide I still want more ligament deformation. At this point, my only good option might be to hang OTS, or SU for a while. How long? Maybe a few months? I'm not sure... but let's say I shifted my package up a bit... Then after doing this if I switched to SD/ BTC again, I could pass my plateau and get my LOT a little bit lower (e.g. to 6.8 or less). You could keep going back & forth trying to get more deformation; this is called the 'See-Saw Effect'.

Enhance the See-Saw Effect?
I think there may be a way to enhance this effect and further maximize ligament gains. My idea is that after you appear to bottom out on lig gains, switch to tunica work and give your ligs a few months to decondition a bit. Then go back to BTC/SD or SU angles (back to the see-saw effect) to try & work out some more ligament gains.

I think if a person experienced massive diminishing returns with the See-Saw effect that could imply they have maximized their lig gains. Another possibility is that a guy that starts with a LOT of 9 (penis exits straight out), and shifts his LOT to 6 (penis exits straight down), perhaps he has already achieved the majority of his potential lig gains. However, we have the example of Bib who just started using higher angles once his LOT was 6. And then he just kept changing angles to keep gaining.

Is There A Better Answer? Probably...
Perhaps another hanger like MIllia or Merlin (or someone else) can comment on this. My explanation above is my best attempt to share my thoughts on this subject. My understanding & ideas about PE will continue to evolve as I work towards making my own gains. I hope to have a better answer for this & many other similar subjects someday in the future, when I have (hopefully) either reached my ultimate goals, or come much closer...

[blink2000]

Edit: I changed this post because the amount of weight, and the amount of gains claimed & the amount of time simply did not correlate. Things were too questionable, so they have been removed.

[blink2000]

thanks 4 all ur help, and one last question, how do u do a BTC hang.
thanks again.

BTC: Between the cheeks
SD: straight down

Both of these angles are ideal for targeting your suspensory ligaments. As long as you're not at LOT 6 (penis points straight down), then these angles will be useful for you. If you didn't start at LOT 6, but you manage to shift your package here, you will have to do maintenance work to keep your ligs deformed & cement them permanently at this angle. Otherwise, they will retract a bit.

How to Hang SD:
SD is easy, I just sit in my chair and hang the weight straight down. My Bib Starter Hanger rests against my 4" PVC halfpipe, this helps prevent twisting, & it's a smooth, slippery enough surface where I am still able to feel the full weight. This is a 6 o'clock angle (straight down).

How to Hang BTC:
BTC is very similar to SD. To reach BTC, slide your hips forward in your chair and lean back a bit. Point your hips upward a bit (some guys use a second chair for this). Effectively the weight hangs straight behind you. If your penis is long enough, it will literally be hanging between your butt-cheeks (hence the name, between the cheeks).

Although the weight will hang straight down, BTC means the weight literally will hang at 3 o'clock angle (straight back).

For me, just shifting my hips forward so the Bib hanger touches my butt cheeks is enough for me to know I'm getting a pretty good BTC angle. Sometimes my hanger twists too much though, so I don't get a full BTC stretch.

Skin Stretch
Early in my hanging career I was using 5lbs SD, however, I could only use 2.5lbs BTC at that time. It took me a long time until I could hang even 5lbs BTC. At this angle, the skin stretch is fairly intense. I used a lot of cocoa butter lotion & vitamin E lotion and had to effectively stretch my skin out & make it longer before I could hang much weight at this angle. Currently I still can't do too much at this angle; I'm just at 10lbs BTC (about).

Even with the SD angle you'll need maybe 2 weeks of just skin stretching. For me, BTC seemed to take a month or more until my skin was stretched out enough to handle anything over 2.5lbs.