Extender users, is it worth it?

[volta Member Find all posts View Profile Close volta]

Hey guys, i was wondering if buying an extender would be worth it? I'm about and inch ad a quarter inch away from my goal of 9 BPEL, and i was wondering if anyone out there with experience can give me a little feedback on any extenders. The Vimax is relatively inexpensive, so I'm thinking about getting that one.

I've got a question for those who've used an extender, on the Vimax extender website they have this page where they calculate your size according to the months you put in in using it, with this notice.

Please note that the results are based on usage of the Vimax Extender 12 hours daily 7 days a week.
Results will vary, and these results are only ment as a guidance to your new penis size!

has anyone use it for that long a period of time daily?

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I've got a question for those who've used an extender, on the Vimax extender website they have this page where they calculate your size according to the months you put in in using it, with this notice.

has anyone use it for that long a period of time daily?

The size calculators on the manufacturers' web sites are pure BS. X4 Labs is being sued in Canada by a customer who claims no gains and was denied a refund. Six hours seems to be the high end of use by members on the PEG. One member claimed to be using an extender 9 hours a day and was starting to see gains, but was banned (for supporting the rights of members to use disrespectful comments about gays) before he could provide his long term results.

I have used an X4Lab extender for about 4 - 4.5 hours a day since last May. Due to ED, I do not have accurate measurements; however, it seems my EL is up almost 1/2 inch. Stretched flaccid length in the extender is up over an inch. Other members have claimed better results.

[midasman1974 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close midasman1974]

I have never owned or worn an extender, but I have to say I agree with not2big: The only way to grow and develop any other part of your body is through 1. Natural growth or 2. manual labor. Why would your penis be different?

Note that most advertisments do NOT claim to provide erect gains, they just say gains. I don't think you can get worthwhile erect penis gains from pills, lotions, hypnosis, extenders or voodoo.

The routines and exercises here at www.pegym.com consitute manual labor and they work.

[redbear52 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close redbear52]

There is no reason to believe that if stretching your penis with your hands works that stretching it with a device would not.

Certainly there are many guys who report gaining length with an extender, and plenty who have not. There are also plenty of guys who claim to have gained length with hanging (and plenty who have not) and that isn't manual labor either.

[dsmall Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dsmall]

An extender is the only product that has some peer review support for permanent increase in length. There are also some reporters who have published their own experience with an extender and reported gains. There is nothing but anecdotal evidence supporting claims that it increases girth. Calixto had written extensively about his long term experiences with an extender, so has Dangler. Both have reported gains. I have certainly seen significant gains in flaccid length in the nearly three months I have been wearing an extender on average of 10 hours per day. I would like to put at least 1000 hours in before I really give a report on its effectiveness and give firm measurements.

FYI, It is difficult to wear it without access to a private bathroom. It requires a break in period. It requires adjusting tension from time to time as you wear it. It requires a brief period where you can remove it for a few minutes every couple of hours to relieve numbness and allow circulation. It is not inconspicuous under clothes unless you can wear a baggy jacket and hide your belt line from the bulge. Its like trying to hide a 7 plus inch erection surrounded by metal rods. You cannot sleep in it. It is difficult to drive or walk around wearing it in a down position. I can't imagine trying to hide its use from my spouse or girlfriend if you live together. I generally wear it pointed straight up, and even then it presents a bulge in the beltline.

Bib reported incredible gains from long periods of time hanging. It is difficult to imagine that the normal working guy could duplicate his regimen. IMHO, time under tension is the critical factor in PE--for length gains. I don't think the typical working guy can duplicate my current extender routine. I work in my own office with a lockable door and have a private bathroom. I wear a suit and tie so its easier to camouflage my extender use when colleagues come in to visit . My wife knows I am using it so I can use it at home. If you can only squeeze in 2-3 hours a day, then it will not be any more effective than manual PE exercises. You will barely be able to get acclimated to wearing it effectively. If you can wear it for more than 5 hours a day, then it will probably be more effective than any type of manual PE exercises. The only more effective tool for length is probably hanging for at least 10 hours a week. It would be more difficult for me to lock my office door for 2-3 hours a day and hang weights off my penis so an extender works better for me. If you have 3-4 hours of uninterrupted time in your apartment or bathroom every day, then hanging might be better for you.

IMHO, the extender companies do not accurately give the necessary information to understand what you need to do to get benefits from an extender. Most people cannot wear it for 5 hours a day, no less the 12 hours a day estimated by the calculators. But I think 2000 hours of effective extender wear will get you at least an inch in length when erect and more in flaccid length. It might take the typical wearer 20 or more months to log that kind of time in. It should take me less than a year so I already see real changes because I am wearing it almost twice as much. The gains at that rate (20 months) are so slight and incremental you might give up, or just switch to a manual form of PE. Stretched flaccid does appear to have a close relationship with erect length. You might see as much as 2 inches in gain in flaccid and stretched flaccid length from the same 2000 hours. Again, I am going by the published studies, the posts on this and other forum of dedicated extender users, and my own limited experience after 3 months.

That's the only question. if you have a situation similar to me, then an extender might be the right device. If you don't than it might not be effective because you can't wear it long enough to get any benefit out of it. Good luck.

[redbear52 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close redbear52]

Manual stretching can create very large distracting forces, but they can only be held for short periods of time. Most stretches are held from 30 to 120 sec at a time, although some guys have done intermittent stretching for hours at a time.

Extenders provide much less distracting force than what you can provide manually, but can potentially maintain tension for much longer periods of time. Some all day stretchers (ADS) provide even less tension, but some guys manage to wear them throughout the day, and even while sleeping (although I wouldn't personally recommend that).

Hanging is sort of in between manual stretching and use of an extender. It applies potentially high distracting forces for 20 minutes (typically) at a time.

People have debated back and forth whether it is better to apply more tension for a short period of time, or less tension for a much longer period of time. No one really knows. The fact is that guys have reported gains, and others have reported no gains with each approach.

[dsmall Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dsmall]

Manual stretching can create very large distracting forces, but they can only be held for short periods of time. Most stretches are held from 30 to 120 sec at a time, although some guys have done intermittent stretching for hours at a time.

Extenders provide much less distracting force than what you can provide manually, but can potentially maintain tension for much longer periods of time. Some all day stretchers (ADS) provide even less tension, but some guys manage to wear them throughout the day, and even while sleeping (although I wouldn't personally recommend that).

Hanging is sort of in between manual stretching and use of an extender. It applies potentially high distracting forces for 20 minutes (typically) at a time.

People have debated back and forth whether it is better to apply more tension for a short period of time, or less tension for a much longer period of time. No one really knows. The fact is that guys have reported gains, and others have reported no gains with each approach.

Exactly. The debate in many ways will not be resolved without specific peer reviewed research. There is no question that internet sites like these and thunders, photos. etc/ provide powerful ancedotal evidence that tension to some degree and for some time produces increases in size. What that magic formula is has not been definitively established.

Extenders do have some peer reviewed research behind them. I think that alone makes them worth examining closely. The problem is that they require huge amounts of time.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I have been using an extender for 8 months, but two months ago I started reading about how some members were getting nice gains from hanging so I decided to add hanging (2 X 20 minutes @ 12 lbs twice a week while my wife is at rehab for knee replacement) to my routine. I guess I couldn't make up my mind as to which would be more beneficial so I decided to do both. Since I added hanging two months ago, my flaccid stretched length continues to grow, though my EL is up only marginally. Unlike others, my normal flaccid length (I can;t say hang because it usually turtles up and sticks straight out) is only slightly improved, mostly girth. However, I can pull it out a lot further now when I use a public urinal which saves a lot of embarrassment.

Strangely, my wife is not aware that I am doing either, though she is aware that I pump. I do most of my extending while watching tv in my recliner. I do excuse myself a lot more to go to the bathroom. "Luckily" my NBP stretched dick is currently under 5.5" so I can belt my jeans above the tip of the extender. Don't tell any one, but I also use my extender in bed at night next to my sleeping wife. Got in three hours during each of the last two nights.

[volta Member Find all posts View Profile Close volta]

The size calculators on the manufacturers' web sites are pure BS. X4 Labs is being sued in Canada by a customer who claims no gains and was denied a refund. Six hours seems to be the high end of use by members on the PEG. One member claimed to be using an extender 9 hours a day and was starting to see gains, but was banned (for supporting the rights of members to use disrespectful comments about gays) before he could provide his long term results.

I have used an X4Lab extender for about 4 - 4.5 hours a day since last May. Due to ED, I do not have accurate measurements; however, it seems my EL is up almost 1/2 inch. Stretched flaccid length in the extender is up over an inch. Other members have claimed better results.

i supposed i should have known. seems like a great way to sell a product, however long the users must use the device.

I have never owned or worn an extender, but I have to say I agree with not2big: The only way to grow and develop any other part of your body is through 1. Natural growth or 2. manual labor. Why would your penis be different?

Note that most advertisments do NOT claim to provide erect gains, they just say gains. I don't think you can get worthwhile erect penis gains from pills, lotions, hypnosis, extenders or voodoo.

The routines and exercises here at www.pegym.com consitute manual labor and they work.

I'm not trying to cut corners. I'm currently on a 40 min jelq, 30 min stretch daily routine (this week). I would just like to maximize my gains.



thanks to all the guys who've replied, especially dsmall, your post was very informative. thanks man.

[rhinoguy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rhinoguy]

I agree with all the above comments.

*Don't be certain you can wear an extender in public until you have tried it on your own penis, physiology matters though I have heard of some who were able to wear for up to 8 hours day. I can only do about 4.

*Don't expect a lot of gains without some serious time spent using it. Disregard the website predictions, they are bunk.

*If you want a realistic hours-versus-growth prediction, peer-reviewed studies support a generalized growth rate:

growth (in inches) = 0.0010 x (hours of use)

My readings tell me that the growth rate does not change and is a constant function of hours invested. Do two hours a day and you will move two hours along the curve. Do 6 hours and see 6 hours worth of growth. That is good news as is the fact that there is almost no documented case of someone doing extender PE seriously who did not gain in one amount or another. My own gains have been right on target at about 5/16"-1/2" for 350 hours of work.

[dsmall Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dsmall]

I agree with all the above comments.

*Don't be certain you can wear an extender in public until you have tried it on your own penis, physiology matters though I have heard of some who were able to wear for up to 8 hours day. I can only do about 4.

*Don't expect a lot of gains without some serious time spent using it. Disregard the website predictions, they are bunk.

*If you want a realistic hours-versus-growth prediction, peer-reviewed studies support a generalized growth rate:

growth (in inches) = 0.0010 x (hours of use)

My readings tell me that the growth rate does not change and is a constant function of hours invested. Do two hours a day and you will move two hours along the curve. Do 6 hours and see 6 hours worth of growth. That is good news as is the fact that there is almost no documented case of someone doing extender PE seriously who did not gain in one amount or another. My own gains have been right on target at about 5/16"-1/2" for 350 hours of work.

That would be great news. This means that 2000 hours of dedicated wear would produce a length gain of 2", that would be pretty remarkable. Your formula basically says 1000 hours per inch. I am more skeptical. I'm thinking its probably closer to 750 hours per half inch. The lack of real girth gains in these short term studies is a bit discouraging, but none of them mention erect girth. I'm wondering whether there is some relationship with eventual length v. girth at erect levels that we will see. I would also like to see a study that shows erect measurements, preferably with viagra or some chemical enhancement to make sure that EQ is less of a factor.

[rhinoguy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rhinoguy]

The math I gave was a ballpark average for stretched flaccid. Erect growth will be less but not a lot less and the two quantities are obviously related. The flaccid rates of growth were constant and reliable. It is not far fetched to expect erect growth to be slower but also constant and reliable. The Frankfurt study below is the only one that measured erect growth.

Published studies:

1. 1st Virtual Sexology and Hispanoamerican Sexual Education Congress in Madrid. The study ran for 1800 hours of extender use. This study supports a slope of (growth in inches) = 0.0011 x (hours of use).

2. Urological Clinic at the Markus Hospital in Frankfurt am Main, West Germany. The study ran for 1080 hours of use of the Phallosan device, which is similar to an extender. Equation for flaccid growth is (growth in inches) = 0.0009 x (hours of use). Equation for erect growth is (growth in inches) = 0.0006 x (hours of use).

3. University of Turin 2008. The study ran for 900 hours. The equation is (growth in inches) = 0.0009 x (hours of use).

There are many anecdotal reports of gains of up to 2 inches erect with long term extender use. I have no reason to doubt the users achieved those gains. It took a lot of hard work for a long time (years). There does seem to be a scarcity of anecdotal reports of gains beyond 2 inches. This may be because etenders are relatively new (10-15 years), it may be because the suspensory ligament gets stretched out and that's all it is worth. There is no peer reviewed evidence speaking to high time extender use, so it remains speculation.

[DemOne Banned Find all posts View Profile Close DemOne]

1 hour = 0.001" of growth seems a bit more than normally possible to me as well. Basically, if you're someone who could wear an extender for 10 hours a day, In basically 57% of one year, you can gain 2". 1 hour = .0005" would be more convincing.

Paired with manual exercising I can see the .001"/hour being true, but not on it's own.

[rhinoguy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rhinoguy]

Well, don't know what to say except that for flaccid penile growth the rates I came up with are substantiated by rigorous, published, scientific, peer-reviewed studies. That's the best anyone can ask for in terms of empirical data collection. I came up with the slopes by taking simple linear regressions to obtain rise versus run. As I said, only one study gave data on erect penis growth for a controlled population, which was the Phallosan study. Phallosan is not an extender but it is very similar in how it applies mild traction to the penis for many hours per day to achieve length gains. It found:

(growth in inches) = 0.0006 x (hours of use)

As you might guess it is hard to measure erect penis size in a large sample of men because erection quality, fat pad, when, where and how to measure them complicates the task. The researchers generally prefer to use flaccid stretched length therefore with an assumption the two are closely related. It may very well be the case that flaccid stretched and erect display differing growth rates, but they are obviously related and if a growth pattern is demonstrated in one then the other must be pretty close. I tend to think erect growth is equal to flaccid stretched growth from a purely anecdotal perspective which includes the work I have done on my own totem pole of dignity, but I admit without more studies it remains impossible to say they are exactly equal.

[midasman1974 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close midasman1974]

Alright. I retract my earlier assertion. Based on the info in these later posts, gains have been documented.

But it is my opinion that gains of 6 ten-thousanths of an inch per hour are just not worth my time, but this is because the manual exercises are working for me. If an extender is the only thing that works for you, great.

But to me, it's like starting to collect empty aluminum cans to save for my retirement. Sure, I could find upwards of $3 in cans every hour, but why not spend my time more effectively?