Phallosan User Gains Table

[thomasthetankengine]

Experience, knowledge, reading about people's positive and negative experiences, the company's advice itself, this thread, etc.

I don't see much of a sample size to go from in the first place.

[thomasthetankengine]

Look at the table for example

I see guys who are doing what you advocate and not getting any gains and guys not doing what you advocate and making gains. I don't see any real correlation and it's just guesswork on your part. There's no reason for you to be so sure what you're saying is right. From what I can see, it seems to be partially based on the individual's penis itself rather than solely based on what the individual is doing (something you admitted in your post) and I suspect you still would have gained your 1.25 inches if it had taken you twice as long to reach your 3000 hours.

All I can do is get as many hours in as I can in as short a time as I can, and I hope to gain at least a quarter inch by the time I hit 1000 hours (if not I'll probably quit), but I'm under no illusion and understand that it's very possible I'll gain nothing like wanthis, Skinny_rattler and ultimape.

[kickinthemebs]

Believe what you like. I am just giving advice from what others have said to me, what I have seen working for myself, and things that others have said what didn't work for them. As I mentioned time and time again, there will be guys who don't gain from this device altogether, it seems to be guys who have been doing PE for a few years and already maxed out all their possible gains, or were using the device for far less than the retailer recommends.

As you seem to have some issue with my comprising people's approaches and opinions and relaying it back to you and others, I will refer to what the manufacturer recommends, so you can get pissy with him instead. Julian has said time and time again that you should be putting in at least 8 hours a day, 10 being optimal.

Now, I don't really care what you believe to be honest, but I will still provide you and others the details of these three cases.

Ultimape, as just described, put nowhere near the amount of hours that was recommended by the manufacturer:

It took me about 10 months to reach 1000 hours , that is around 100 hours per month . I would do about 4-7 hours per day taking 1-2 days off per week to rest .

As I just said, Julian said on the phallosan support thread many times to put in between 8-10 hours a day, and take a rest day once a week. So that is 6 days x 8-10 hours, so 48-60 hours minimum a week. Ultimate, of his own admission, put in between 20-42 hours a week. A long way off the recommended time to put in. You can contact phallosan yourself if you have beef with these recommendations, I am only repeating what he said.

Skinny_rattler gained 0.25 in BPFSL and 0.25 in girth, still nothing to be sneezed at. His EQ was 7 he mentioned, and as I recommended to him, he needs to increase his EQ in order for the BPEL to appear, which it did once he started an EQ-based routine.

See here: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...tml#post845069

And here:

3/31/14

Today is the second day of first improving my EQ. I just got done doing 3 months (1001 hrs) of extending in the PF and my EQ is maybe a 7ish. So I have signed up with BIG AL with mecoach to help me break my 5 mth platue of no length gains once my EQ Is a a 10 this might change On the bright side I have gained .25 in girth so it's already starting to look better. I will keep an accurate and detailed log so that this may help other gym members with similar issues.

Wanthis has been PE'ing since 2011, and as has been seen with skinny_rattler too, he was struggling a lot with gains:

I know that I haven't been on here for a while and I will continue to struggle to get on here for the next few months. I graduate in 3 months and I have never been busier in my life. However I have not fallen off the wagon and I shall continue to try to grow even in my 3rd year after 2 years of non progress. I WILL find a way to grow bigger.

I see guys who are doing what you advocate and not getting any gains and guys not doing what you advocate and making gains. I don't see any real correlation and it's just guesswork on your part. There's no reason for you to be so sure what you're saying is right. From what I can see, it seems to be partially based on the individual's penis itself rather than solely based on what the individual is doing (something you admitted in your post) and I suspect you still would have gained your 1.25 inches if it had taken you twice as long to reach your 3000 hours.

All I can do is get as many hours in as I can in as short a time as I can, and I hope to gain at least a quarter inch by the time I hit 1000 hours (if not I'll probably quit), but I'm under no illusion and understand that it's very possible I'll gain nothing like wanthis, Skinny_rattler and ultimape.

[kickinthemebs]

So perhaps do your research next time yeh?

[thomasthetankengine]

Believe what you like. I am just giving advice from what others have said to me, what I have seen working for myself, and things that others have said what didn't work for them. As I mentioned time and time again, there will be guys who don't gain from this device altogether, it seems to be guys who have been doing PE for a few years and already maxed out all their possible gains, or were using the device for far less than the retailer recommends.

I am not arrogant enough to believe either possibility given the lack of evidence for both.

As you seem to have some issue with my comprising people's approaches and opinions and relaying it back to you and others, I will refer to what the manufacturer recommends, so you can get pissy with him instead. Julian has said time and time again that you should be putting in at least 8 hours a day, 10 being optimal.

I realise you're angry but there's no need to resort to attacks you have no evidence for. It makes you look bad.

Now, I don't really care what you believe to be honest, but I will still provide you and others the details of these three cases.

Ultimape, as just described, put nowhere near the amount of hours that was recommended by the manufacturer:



As I just said, Julian said on the phallosan support thread many times to put in between 8-10 hours a day, and take a rest day once a week. So that is 6 days x 8-10 hours, so 48-60 hours minimum a week. Ultimate, of his own admission, put in between 20-42 hours a week. A long way off the recommended time to put in. You can contact phallosan yourself if you have beef with these recommendations, I am only repeating what he said.

Skinny_rattler gained 0.25 in BPFSL and 0.25 in girth, still nothing to be sneezed at. His EQ was 7 he mentioned, and as I recommended to him, he needs to increase his EQ in order for the BPEL to appear, which it did once he started an EQ-based routine.


See here: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...tml#post845069

My EL increases with greater EQ as well. I don't see the link between that and PE. An increase in EQ obviously results in an increase in EL.

And here:



Wanthis has been PE'ing since 2011, and as has been seen with skinny_rattler too, he was struggling a lot with gains:

And? I never said anything about PE not working for people being unique to the Phallosan.

So perhaps do your research next time yeh?

Let's keep this discussion civil. You're a moderator and you should know better.

With that being said, I should probably be added to the table. I've done over 90 hours so far. My BPEL is around 6.3-6.4 inches with full EQ. Overall I've had around 4 hours on average but I'm increasing that and in the last 8 days it's been 6:25 hours a day. I hope to get it up to 10. I try to keep it at the lower part of the yellow but often it goes (or even starts) below the green even though the strap is the same. The amount I do is variable and I do no additional PE apart from occasional kegels and Ulis.

[kickinthemebs]

You are not arrogant enough to believe personal accounts of the rare people who have not gained from it? I hate to burst your bubble, but you are going to find very very little "evidence" in the world of PE.

I am not arrogant enough to believe either possibility given the lack of evidence for both.

There is nothing uncivil that I have said. I stand by all of my points. Anyone who goes on this forum understands how much I try to help people and give advice based on experience, discussion with others, and the experiences of past members.

I realise you're angry but there's no need to resort to attacks you have no evidence for. It makes you look bad.

Please read the TGC theory thread.

My EL increases with greater EQ as well. I don't see the link between that and PE. An increase in EQ obviously results in an increase in EL.

I have absolutely no interest getting into an argument with you, I have provided you with the points and evidence of where I got my information from. Knowledge about PE is based largely from people's accounts and experiences, so that is largely what we base our answers on when people ask us questions. Now perhaps go off and do your own personal research of the phallosan by wearing it yourself and keeping a log.

Maybe you can provide some insights to others instead of trying to undermine other people's advice. I would give you recommendations and tips but I am sure you would still find fault with those too because they are not based on evidence.

[thomasthetankengine]

You are not arrogant enough to believe personal accounts of the rare people who have not gained from it? I hate to burst your bubble, but you are going to find very very little "evidence" in the world of PE.

That has nothing to do with arrogance and that's not what I said. For the record, I take all of the personal accounts at face value and don't doubt them. There is, however, only a small sample size of those who have not gained after a lot of hours, too small to determine a reason behind it.

There is nothing uncivil that I have said.

Yes there is:

As you seem to have some issue with my comprising people's approaches and opinions and relaying it back to you and others, I will refer to what the manufacturer recommends, so you can get pissy with him instead. Julian has said time and time again that you should be putting in at least 8 hours a day, 10 being optimal.

Claiming I seem to have an issue because I disagreed with you is uncivil. So is your baseless slur of 'pissy'. Providing one's opinion is not getting pissy. This is getting pissy:

So perhaps do your research next time yeh?

I have absolutely no interest getting into an argument with you

Good. Don't start one then.

, I have provided you with the points and evidence of where I got my information from. Knowledge about PE is based largely from people's accounts and experiences, so that is largely what we base our answers on when people ask us questions. Now perhaps go off and do your own personal research of the phallosan by wearing it yourself and keeping a log.

This is a very silly instruction, as I've already started using the Phallosan.

Maybe you can provide some insights to others instead of trying to undermine other people's advice. I would give you recommendations and tips but I am sure you would still find fault with those too because they are not based on evidence.

Being skeptical of something does not mean you are trying to 'undermine' it.

[kickinthemebs]

Okay, whatever you say boss.

I added you to the table. Good luck with your gains.

[BigO]

Hello thomasthetankengine,

I believe you are partially correct in that, as with all PE, some results are subject to personal response. I believe Kickin is very aware of this as well.

However, none of this is an exact science. But the processes and methods are formed through individual experiences, trial and error, and community feedback. Over time, a trend starts to form, even if only for the majority. I'm sure the manufacturer considers this type of approach, as well as the people who are very experienced and continue to research to improve results, such as Kickin has.

Kickin has spent a lot of time not only with the Phallosan itself, but on these forums, as his post count confirms. Through this extended knowledge, his information is surely one to be trusted and relied upon for members here, especially ones using the Phallosan.

If Kickin were to give me advice, I would follow it, considering his great knowledge on the subject. But, as anyone is, you are free to do as you choose. Who knows, maybe you'll set the next precedent for gaining with the PF. As I said, it's a lot of trial and error, and getting hands on time (no pun intended) is how new methods are learned.

Best of luck to you, and wishing you great success.

[DreamOn]

I value each member's feedback and advice that they can offer to the forum and I have seen how much Kick has contributed to this forum with great effort to give many members advice, tips, feedback, and improvement in regards to PE. To me Kick is a highly valued member to the forum and I would definitely listen to his advice/suggestions on the forums.