Why is the Phallosan Forte so damn expensive???

[Marlon LGHanger]

For what it's worth I will share with you exactly what the #1 surgeon in the world who performs penile lengthening procedures says (he has done over 2000 procedures, and sees what is under the skin, so he should know).
"90% of men have suspensitory ligaments that measure approximately 1/4" or larger. The other 10% have weaker ligament diameters of 1/8" - 3/16". Obviously the men who have weaker ligaments are the ones who can potentially see greater gains because the ligament is smaller and more easily stretched. For the other 90% a greater amount of traction will be required to stretch the ligament. Any traction device incapable of inducing a minimum of 10 lbs of traction is worthless"

That said, use a little common sense and ask yourself an honest question .... Can this expensive Phallosan device provide 10 lbs of traction?
You don't need to be a Jeopardy whiz to answer that question .... it's ​NO!

[trepan]

For what it's worth I will share with you exactly what the #1 surgeon in the world who performs penile lengthening procedures says (he has done over 2000 procedures, and sees what is under the skin, so he should know).
"90% of men have suspensitory ligaments that measure approximately 1/4" or larger. The other 10% have weaker ligament diameters of 1/8" - 3/16". Obviously the men who have weaker ligaments are the ones who can potentially see greater gains because the ligament is smaller and more easily stretched. For the other 90% a greater amount of traction will be required to stretch the ligament. Any traction device incapable of inducing a minimum of 10 lbs of traction is worthless"

That said, use a little common sense and ask yourself an honest question .... Can this expensive Phallosan device provide 10 lbs of traction?
You don't need to be a Jeopardy whiz to answer that question .... it's ​NO!

10lbs seems excessive. Would 10lbs traction equal(=) hanging with a 10lb weight? If not, how would you compute it? Also, I'm under the impression that traction is to be used as a supplementary exercise, used for longer durations of time in order to keep the penile tissues from retracting(turtling) while tissues heal/grow. Am I wrong?

[Steneo]

For what it's worth I will share with you exactly what the #1 surgeon in the world who performs penile lengthening procedures says (he has done over 2000 procedures, and sees what is under the skin, so he should know).
"90% of men have suspensitory ligaments that measure approximately 1/4" or larger. The other 10% have weaker ligament diameters of 1/8" - 3/16". Obviously the men who have weaker ligaments are the ones who can potentially see greater gains because the ligament is smaller and more easily stretched. For the other 90% a greater amount of traction will be required to stretch the ligament. Any traction device incapable of inducing a minimum of 10 lbs of traction is worthless"

That said, use a little common sense and ask yourself an honest question .... Can this expensive Phallosan device provide 10 lbs of traction?
You don't need to be a Jeopardy whiz to answer that question .... it's ​NO!

Wow, this is so funny because of how many people, including myself, report gaining quite well from extending, using far less than 10 pounds of traction. So the number one in the world penis lengthening surgeon wants to put out there that extending does not work. What a surprise! Because, what could he possibly gain by spreading nonsense mis-information about extending? Oh - wait - 2,000 procedures????? I wonder how much each one costs.......

Oh, and I'm dying to see his research that shows that 10 pounds is the threshold for usefulness. Not 9 pounds but 10. Not 9.5 pounds...but 10. Also, can I assume he is measuring and recording the diameter of the suspensory ligaments of patients during surgery? That might actually be useful information to try to correlate with success. I'll eagerly await that paper.

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[kickinthemebs]

Also, you have to bear in mind the person who posted this nonsense too Steneo... Someone flogging the LG hanger.

Wow, this is so funny because of how many people, including myself, report gaining quite well from extending, using far less than 10 pounds of traction. So the number one in the world penis lengthening surgeon wants to put out there that extending does not work. What a surprise! Because, what could he possibly gain by spreading nonsense mis-information about extending? Oh - wait - 2,000 procedures????? I wonder how much each one costs.......

Oh, and I'm dying to see his research that shows that 10 pounds is the threshold for usefulness. Not 9 pounds but 10. Not 9.5 pounds...but 10. Also, can I assume he is measuring and recording the diameter of the suspensory ligaments of patients during surgery? That might actually be useful information to try to correlate with success. I'll eagerly await that paper.

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[DreamOn]

I strongly believe that any amount of tension that is enough to put stress under very, very long time on the penis will eventually lengthen it. The human body is full of compensation and if the penis is being stretched and under stress for long periods it will eventually have to compensate resulting in enlargement. The PF might not be capable of reaching 10 lbs of tension, but the fact that users can wear it for longer periods (I've worn it up to 20 hours several times in the past) is enough to be just as effective as hanging or even better. Regardless of the tension/weight hanging can only be done in short amount of time where PF can be worn nearly 24 hours a day if the users wish to do so without having any problems at all.

5-20 hours under tension per day > 1-2 hours of hanging regardless of weight in my humble opinion.

[Marlon LGHanger]

I never said that you couldn't get some length with less than 10 lbs. You could be one of those guys in the 10% range that have weak or thin ligament tissue. What one persons personal experience is practicing something, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else who does the same thing will get the same results. Again I think common sense and logic will prevail. Ask an orthodontist how much pressure is required to move teeth? Then ask him or her if only 10% or 20% of the same force would still get the job done?

Ask a bodybuilder if he bench presses 50 lbs for 100 reps would if it would yield the same results as bench pressing 250 lbs for 3 sets of 8 reps would when it comes to causing the kind of muscle fatigue and trauma required to achieve Hypertrophy or Hyperplasia?

Do professional basketball players enhance their vertical leaps by jumping up onto platforms 12" high or 48" high?
Do professional baseball pitchers enhance their fastball velocity by throwing 40 yards or by playing long toss at 100 yards?

Fact.... 2 lbs won't accomplish what 10 lbs will accomplish no matter how much more time you add!

[trepan]

I never said that you couldn't get some length with less than 10 lbs. You could be one of those guys in the 10% range that have weak or thin ligament tissue. What one persons personal experience is practicing something, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else who does the same thing will get the same results. Again I think common sense and logic will prevail. Ask an orthodontist how much pressure is required to move teeth? Then ask him or her if only 10% or 20% of the same force would still get the job done?

Ask a bodybuilder if he bench presses 50 lbs for 100 reps would if it would yield the same results as bench pressing 250 lbs for 3 sets of 8 reps would when it comes to causing the kind of muscle fatigue and trauma required to achieve Hypertrophy or Hyperplasia?

Do professional basketball players enhance their vertical leaps by jumping up onto platforms 12" high or 48" high?
Do professional baseball pitchers enhance their fastball velocity by throwing 40 yards or by playing long toss at 100 yards?

Fact.... 2 lbs won't accomplish what 10 lbs will accomplish no matter how much more time you add!

All I can say is 10lbs would rip my wang off.

[Steneo]

I never said that you couldn't get some length with less than 10 lbs. You could be one of those guys in the 10% range that have weak or thin ligament tissue. What one persons personal experience is practicing something, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else who does the same thing will get the same results. Again I think common sense and logic will prevail. Ask an orthodontist how much pressure is required to move teeth? Then ask him or her if only 10% or 20% of the same force would still get the job done?

Ask a bodybuilder if he bench presses 50 lbs for 100 reps would if it would yield the same results as bench pressing 250 lbs for 3 sets of 8 reps would when it comes to causing the kind of muscle fatigue and trauma required to achieve Hypertrophy or Hyperplasia?

Do professional basketball players enhance their vertical leaps by jumping up onto platforms 12" high or 48" high?
Do professional baseball pitchers enhance their fastball velocity by throwing 40 yards or by playing long toss at 100 yards?

Fact.... 2 lbs won't accomplish what 10 lbs will accomplish no matter how much more time you add!

Oh my, so much here...okay... First, I want to say that I think your hanger - the LG hanger - seems like a really great device. I don't want to come off as being anti-LG hanger. In fact, if I ever come to the point where I decide I might hang (and who knows if that will happen), I would probably get an LG. But...

I really dislike baseless assertions presented as "fact" with no evidence. The point I was trying to make (admittedly a bit tongue in cheek) about the ligament tissue diameters for example. See, I don't believe for one little second that this surgeon was in there, with calipers or similar measuring device, measuring and recording thousands of suspensory ligament diameters in order to come to the conclusion that "10%" of people have thinner and weaker suspensory ligaments and 90% of people are thick and strong.

The line, by the way, from the previous post of yours in this thread between the thick strong 90% and the thin weak 10% is 1/16 of an inch so measuring must have taken place for me to believe this. Next, there is a corollary assertion that only those 10% will gain from less than 10 lbs - i.e. - extending. Well now, this is very specific. To say something like this I would hope for a study, which he could easily do if he has the data he would need to make those assertions. Since there is no such study, and the study would debunk one of his biggest competitors in the penile lengthening market, I must conclude that he's pulling those numbers out of his ass.

This is the real problem with with these types of posts - statements like the last one here. "Fact.... 2 lbs won't accomplish what 10 lbs will accomplish no matter how much more time you add". That's quite a statement to make. All the other examples listed above (the bodybuilder, the basketball players, the baseball pitcher, etc) do not apply because those are working entirely different tissues in different ways than penile lengthening. Might it be true? Maybe, I can't say it's not for the same reasons you can't say that it is true - there is just no evidence for or against!

I'm not here to dispute the effectiveness of heavy weight hanging. From what I've read here and elsewhere it appears to work pretty well. What I dispute is that extending is not effective for the majority of people because of some baseless claim about how much force is required for gains and another baseless claim about ligament sizes. There are far too many people who have reported gaining from extending for this to be believable at all. There are even studies (albeit, small, imperfect studies) published in a peer reviewed fashion, showing that extenders are effective for stretching the penis.

[Marlon LGHanger]

1/4" is double 1/8" - and that is not 1/16"
Dr. Krakovsky has numerous articles in medical journals that he has been give awards for. You can find and read the studies for yourself. I am only telling you what he told me, and he does take measurements.

As for analogies or comparisons that don't apply..... from all the data I have looked at penile tissue is comparable to the muscle tissue in your bicep. Which for the vast majority of humans is "fast twitch" muscle. Ligament tissue is ligament tissue. One isolated bodypart is not vastly different in it's make up, only in it's function.

I know my statement was bold, and I still stand by it. Several customers we (Dr.Ric & I) have sold to have used low traction devices with no results. I used one for several months and got nothing! I respect Dr. Ric's opinions based on his 30 years of PE. There's another individual who rarely frequents this website who also has 25 years of PE experience. Both men have made very significant multi inch gains. So when they both echo what I intuitively know, based on my knowledge of professional bodybuilding and sports, along with a degree in mechanical engineering - "low traction" devices (one's that pull 3 lbs or less) are minimally useful and simply cannot compare to the effectiveness one can achieve when using traction that is 10 lbs or more.

I'am not trying to pick a fight, only to properly educate guys as to what will give them more bang for their buck!
When I see a post that asks why the Phallosan is so damn expensive it pricks my interest because I just can't comprehend why so many guys would buy a device that can't blow your hat off your head! You can pull soooo much harder with your hand than you can with that "low traction" device. I only see it useful as an "ADS" after you have done a good hand stretch session like Big Al advocates or heavy hanging with the LG Hanger or BiB hanger.

[abc_ixnay]

Is the stretching of the ligaments the only way PE is achieved? I thought the Phallosan worked by cell division? Keeping it in an extended position for long periods creates the cells to divide and therefore grow... I'm no expert, but surely there's more than one way to lengthen the penis?