Why is the Phallosan Forte so damn expensive???

[cockmasterflex]

high tension + short time = ligament stretch
low tension + long time = tunica / shaft stretch

[kickinthemebs]

Hey, I was just wondering do you have any articles or threads where you got this information from? It seems logical, would like to read something more on the topic.

high tension + short time = ligament stretch
low tension + long time = tunica / shaft stretch

[miami-cock]

The only reason the price is so high is because what the product claims it can do.

[Marlon LGHanger]

Also, bodybuilders can only get so big enough but then they will hit a plateau where they can't gain anymore no matter how much they lift there is always a limit unless they start doing steroids which will enable them to get much much bigger but even then they will still eventually hit plateau you can only get so much gain but there will always be a limit. Otherwise, bodybuilders would be super huge like 10 people combined into one but that doesn't happen because of the plateau or body limits.

Of course there are limits to growth! That all falls within your own body's genetic make up. The reason professional bodybuilders can exceed genetic limits is because of drugs (Anabolic steroids, HGH, various peptides, thyroid, etc.)

[Marlon LGHanger]

You are right, I stand corrected on the suspensory ligament diameter numbers, I read it wrong, my apologies.

I went and looked up Dr. Alexander A Krakovsky on pubmed and found nothing. I guess none of his papers are in journals indexed by the national library of medicine (odd, but not absolutely unheard of). So, I went to his website (found here for those curious). He does indeed appear to have a list of publications here. A couple look like abstracts, most are in what looks like a free, bi-annual journal distributed to members of a particular association. One does look like a "real" paper in a peer reviewed journal.

What I didn't see is any proof of those numbers (if it is there and I missed it, please show me), which remains my primary objection. I still see nothing to sway me that 90% of people have nothing to gain from extending. I also see nothing to prove that 10 lbs is the needed threshold for gains. Therefore, these assertions must remain in the land of conjecture and not fact. Just like the assertions of all the men out there who claim gains from extending and from hanging less than 10 lbs.

Just like you, I'm interested in properly educating and ensuring that what is said on here is a fair representation of truth. Keep making those quality hangers

All of my quotes from Dr. K are from personal conversations I have had with him. He has told me his assertions about weight are based on feedback from over 1000 patients he has followed, and the weight at which they personally started to get significant results. I happen to be in that group too. Again I am not saying that low traction extending devices are worthless. I do think that they are great as ADS's. I personally have not spoke with any one individual who has gotten gains from using a low traction extending device alone. They have always used it in combination with other PE exercises like Hand stretching, jelqing, and or pumping. So for me I would be interested in seeing positive gain results from guys who used a low traction extending device alone with absolutely no other PE exercises involved. Thanks for the positive feedback on the LG Hanger,

[BigO]

high tension + short time = ligament stretch
low tension + long time = tunica / shaft stretch

Your going to get lig stretch before tunica stretch regardless of what you use. Low tension = tunica and/or lig stretch in more time. Hanging can target the tunica as much or more than any low tension device can. It is in the angle and the time invested that will determine how you stretch and what you stretch.

[DreamOn]

I personally have not spoke with any one individual who has gotten gains from using a low traction extending device alone. They have always used it in combination with other PE exercises like Hand stretching, jelqing, and or pumping. So for me I would be interested in seeing positive gain results from guys who used a low traction extending device alone with absolutely no other PE exercises involved. Thanks for the positive feedback on the LG Hanger,

I've made gains with my x4 labs extender and the phallosan forte without doing any manual PE or other devices. There's also others who made gains with strictly just an extender device besides myself. Here check out the Phallosan User Gains Table which shows some users who strictly used the PF and gained from it alone while others made gains with PF + other form of PE.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...ins-table.html

[Baba_Booey]

I personally have not spoke with any one individual who has gotten gains from using a low traction extending device alone. They have always used it in combination with other PE exercises like Hand stretching, jelqing, and or pumping. So for me I would be interested in seeing positive gain results from guys who used a low traction extending device alone with absolutely no other PE exercises involved.

My 1st experience with PE was using just a FastSize noose extender, and for only about 1 hour per week (not day, 1 hour per week) at max tension for 3 years. After about 2 years, I tried a jelq device, but only used it a few times, so the extender was basically the only thing for 3 years, and I gained more than 1" in length. I didn't measure my girth when I started, but it increased at a rate that never made me look thinner or thicker compared to when I started, even though my length was 1"+ longer.

Part of this was probably because I was still growing naturally and only 19 when I started, but I think that another reason is because I didn't do any other forms of PE before or during this time, which would've been more intense and made me more conditioned. If you have done manual stretches or hanging in the past, then expect to gain with just an extender, it's probably not going to happen because your body has been subjected to much greater stress levels and adapted.

Plateaus are usually because your body is used to your routine and no longer feels it needs to adapt. Adding time and/or intensity can trigger an adaptation response and start up gains again.

Some guys argue with weightlifting analogies being used with PE, but the adaptation that the body goes through is similar. A kid that has never lifted weights before can make his arms bigger by curling 5 lb weights. After a while, the body will adapt and no longer get bigger because it can handle the workout routine that you do. Adding more weight will then get the body's adaptation process going again.

[JizzInMyPants]

It's really expensive for what it is. I'd be much happier if I could have paid half of what I did (about £250 inc. shipping).

BUT i've used a few devices in the past which each cost between £100-150. They've all been very uncomfortable to use, to the point where I stopped using them. That was money wasted. So, in some sense, it's almost like you get what you pay for.

[DreamOn]

If you have done manual stretches or hanging in the past, then expect to gain with just an extender, it's probably not going to happen because your body has been subjected to much greater stress levels and adapted.

Plateaus are usually because your body is used to your routine and no longer feels it needs to adapt. Adding time and/or intensity can trigger an adaptation response and start up gains again.

This is not necessarily true as you can still gain from an extender even after being exposed to much greater tension/stress you just need to decondition for a long time, and it's one of the ways to overcoming plateaus or rather an alternative way than increasing the intensity.

If a bodybuilder hasn't done weightlifting for a long time that person will most likely not be able to lift the same weight he used to lift and his muscles would not be as defined as they were before though there will still be permanent cemented gains regardless.