New Statistical Analysis of Results of Phallosan Users

[Keido]

Incidentally, some researchers in Australia have found that jelqing can cause erectile disfunction due to veno-occlusive dysfunction: see http://repository.um.edu.my/37810/1/...14%20USANZ.pdf. Hence, given that jelqing doesn't help phallosan users, it seems sensible to avoid it.

Do we have any threads that go more in-depth on this subject? That is to say, jelqing causing erectile dysfunction. I've always heard that it's the opposite.

[Dangler]

There is a distinction between jelqing done correctly, jelqing done incorrectly.
The article side steps that difference.

[Marlon LGHanger]

Hi All - I am a social science professor with a background in statistics. So naturally I was excited to find that there's a lot of data on phallosan users' results. I analyzed that data statistically (using multiple regression analysis, for those with some statistical training) and found some results that I think may be very useful to the PE community.

THE DATA

I pooled data from two sources:
a) the phallosan user gains tables at http://www.phallosan-forte-review.com/;
b) the phallosan user gains table on pegym.com:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...ins-table.html

These tables contain much of the same data so I eliminated duplicates. I also restricted to phallosan users who reported the following data: total gains, days of use, and hours per day. If a user did not report the use of any other PE methods, I assumed he did used the phallosan only.

KEY RESULTS

All of the following findings refer to gains in erect length. I restricted my study to that outcome, since it is the one that is most consistently reported by phallosan users.

I found that there are diminishing returns in phallosan usage. In particular, gains per day grow as a function of hours per day until hours per day reach 11.25; after this they decline. Apparently your body needs sufficient "down time" to recover and rebuild. One can see this in above data tables: there are a few people who used the phallosan for 20 hours per day, and their gains were zero or close to it.

Thus, if your goal is simply to gain as fast as possible and you face no constraints on your phallosan usage, you should wear the phallosan for 11.25 hours per day. Then you will gain on average .003812 inches in erect length per day. Thus, it will take you about 262 days (the reciprocal of .003812) to gain one inch.

That being said, the last hour or two in the day are not critical. E.g., if you use the phallosan for 10 hours per day, it will take 272 days to gain one inch. Not much of a difference! If you keep decreasing your hours, it does start to get meaningful. For instance, if you put in 9 hours per day it will take 295 days to gain an inch; with 8 hours per day it will take 341 days. So given the inconvenience and discomfort of the device, 10 hours is probably a reasonable target.

I also looked at the use of other devices together with the phallosan. Not surprisingly given all the hype and "best product" awards, pumps (Bathmate, Penomet, etc.) turn out to be extremely helpful. Adding a pump to your routine increases your daily length gain by a whopping .005447 inches! Thus, if you use the phallosan for 11.25 hours per day plus a pump (assume for the recommended time), you will gain .009259 inches per day. This means you will gain 1 inch in only 108 days - amazing.

I also considered jelqing and "other methods" (clamping, manual stretching, etc.). Surprisingly, among phallosan users these techniques do not add anything. That is, the results of those who used such techniques were statistically indistinguishable from those who used phallosan alone, or phallosan and a pump. Incidentally, some researchers in Australia have found that jelqing can cause erectile disfunction due to veno-occlusive dysfunction: see http://repository.um.edu.my/37810/1/...14%20USANZ.pdf. Hence, given that jelqing doesn't help phallosan users, it seems sensible to avoid it.

A few caveats are in order, as follows.

1. I only studied effects on erect length.

2. The above numbers are estimates. Your actual results may vary, depending on genetics, prior experience with PE, etc.

3. As mentioned, I only studied phallosan users. For instance, if you use phallosan, then adding a pump increases your gains by .005447 inches per day as stated above. If you only pump, your gains may be more or less than this figure. For instance, there may be positive synergies between pumping and the phallosan, so that pumping alone would not help as much.

3. Similarly, my finding that jelqing and other methods don't help is restricted to phallosan users. They could conceivably be helpful if you don't use the phallosan, particularly as some - such as manual stretching - work in the same way as the phallosan.

I find this all very amusing.... especially in light of the "few caveats" and the "etc." that completely nullify the statistical number crunching mumbo jumbo! How do you measure .003? Are you kidding when you round numbers out to 6 places to the right of the decimal point? As a tool and die maker machinist I work daily with decimal fractions that are .001 to .0005

Does anyone appreciate how small .003 is? It's the average thickness of a human hair or a piece of paper!

When it comes to predicting how much you will or can gain from any particular PE exercise, it is all pure speculation. This one thing I do know, given equal amount of time, 10 lbs of traction is more effective at making changes occur than 1800 grams of traction.
Ask any orthodontist how much pressure is required to move teeth? Then ask him if 30% of that same amount would be just as effective at getting the job done.

[Tamora]

I find this all very amusing.... especially in light of the "few caveats" and the "etc." that completely nullify the statistical number crunching mumbo jumbo! How do you measure .003? Are you kidding when you round numbers out to 6 places to the right of the decimal point? As a tool and die maker machinist I work daily with decimal fractions that are .001 to .0005

Does anyone appreciate how small .003 is? It's the average thickness of a human hair or a piece of paper!

When it comes to predicting how much you will or can gain from any particular PE exercise, it is all pure speculation. This one thing I do know, given equal amount of time, 10 lbs of traction is more effective at making changes occur than 1800 grams of traction.
Ask any orthodontist how much pressure is required to move teeth? Then ask him if 30% of that same amount would be just as effective at getting the job done.

I've been an electronics engineer for almost 40 years running a successful electronics equipment manufacturing company mainly for aerospace and broadcast for 20 years and I didn't find it amusing at all!

With all due respect...is it entirely necessary to be so offensive towards a new member that has only ever taken the data supplied and tried to use his knowledge to benefit others?

[kickinthemebs]

Here we go again... This inherent self-promotion would be amusing if it weren't so damn cringey and repetitive.

When it comes to predicting how much you will or can gain from any particular PE exercise, it is all pure speculation. This one thing I do know, given equal amount of time, 10 lbs of traction is more effective at making changes occur than 1800 grams of traction.
Ask any orthodontist how much pressure is required to move teeth? Then ask him if 30% of that same amount would be just as effective at getting the job done.

[Marlon LGHanger]

Offensive? Since when is critical thinking offensive? How is truth offensive? I ask some simple questions that nobody seems to be able to answer. The only thing I'm promoting is for guys to start using some common sense! There wouldn't be so many posts on various threads of guys trying to sell devices that didn't work if a basic mechanical aptitude test were applied to the device purporting to give you multiple inch gains!

I'am NOT implying that the Phallosan is one of those devices. In fact I think it is a great ADS! I just thought it was kind of funny to crunch numbers six places to the right of the decimal point to suggest that would be a daily measurable gain! Lighten up, and don't get your feelers hurt!

[Dangler]

So lets order pizza and send Cusp the tab !

[Tamora]

Offensive? Since when is critical thinking offensive? How is truth offensive? I ask some simple questions that nobody seems to be able to answer. The only thing I'm promoting is for guys to start using some common sense! There wouldn't be so many posts on various threads of guys trying to sell devices that didn't work if a basic mechanical aptitude test were applied to the device purporting to give you multiple inch gains!

I'am NOT implying that the Phallosan is one of those devices. In fact I think it is a great ADS! I just thought it was kind of funny to crunch numbers six places to the right of the decimal point to suggest that would be a daily measurable gain! Lighten up, and don't get your feelers hurt!

Calling a Professor with a background in statistical analysis' work "amusing" and "mumbo jumbo" would have been classified as offensive wouldn't you think? I'm pretty certain that if I called your device "amusing" and "mumbo jumbo" you would be pretty offended too. It was pretty obvious to me (and should have been to you) that working out calculations to six decimal places to quantify daily gains was intentional, given that the monthly gain was divided by the number of days in the month to give an accurate figure and rule out multiple error.

Quite frankly, the example you give about, "given equal amount of time, 10 lbs of traction is more effective at making changes occur than 1800 grams of traction" is "amusing". It's like comparing a novice body builder going to the gym and lifting 200lbs from the start without conditioning first and this statement was obviously a direct comparison between the forces applied by your device compared to the Phallosan.

In my humble opinion, the methods you use to deal with sales objections and your criticism of the opposition is "mumbo jumbo" but please don't get your feelers hurt I'm only thinking critically.

Before you ask, I'm not interested in exchanging PM's with you, I'm just speaking the truth.

[Marlon LGHanger]

I'm sure the Professor is quite brilliant at "statistical analysis". Only problem is that there is no hard ​DATA to support his statistical analysis.... it's pure conjecture. That's my definition of Mumbo Jumbo.

[Tamora]

I'm sure the Professor is quite brilliant at "statistical analysis". Only problem is that there is no hard ​DATA to support his statistical analysis.... it's pure conjecture. That's my definition of Mumbo Jumbo.

He obtained the data from KITM's threads...hopefully, in the near future it will include data from the clinical study done by Phallosan as well.

I think we're all intelligent enough to work out that our willy's won't grow exactly 0.003812" a day! 4 thou per day will do me...and I do have my Vernier's on stand-by just to make sure no-one is trying to pull the wool over my eyes!