2000 Hours With Phallosan and Bathmate X30

[Tamora]

Yep...no pitting one member against another please PF_new. Not cool!

[PF_new]

Listen PF_new, I'll be happy to share the information with you that you ask of me, but if you bring negative shit my way by getting some dude to argue with me over his experiences vs. mine I'm done with you. I'm not looking for an epic debate. I've already had plenty of those. The only reason I do this is I got great info from a few guys here that got me going, which I very much appreciated. So I'm paying the gym back.

I chose 2000 hours based on a study by the phallosan company. Also there were a few guys here at the gym that did the 2000 hours and nobody gained less than 1 inch who did that, so I decided I would, too. Over time your dick grows and the fabric on the belt stretches a tad, so that means you will have more than 4 marks n the belt to accommodate that. Obviously you go forward not backward, so you will always use the newest line on the belt. As for red, I tried that. If you read my entire thread I talked about that quite a bit. I got blisters and they hurt like hell. I reasoned the risk-reward wasn't worth it. Yes I wore it all the time. All 7 days. No break days. I made it part of my life Sitting in the PF you can barely feel it. That's why I wondered how long you have worn it, bc if you have worn it for a while you would know sitting in it is nothing. You forget you have it on.

Yes, I can't argue with you about the need for a routine. I get up at 430 in the morning and leave for work at 530. I get home from work at 530 pm. I normally take it off then to go to the gym. By that point I've already logged 12 hours. I shower eat and try to get 2 more hours in to do 14 total. The hours pile up that way. You have to change your routine. You will if you want it bad enough.

Ok, so I will read your entire thread from start to finish when I can. to give you a proper answer From what I have read tbone350 is not some dude, this guy impressed me quite a lot in his posts... I don't want any negativity of course! But a constructive debate to help everybody, is that bad?

[PF_new]

Yep...no pitting one member against another please PF_new. Not cool!

I do it because these two members have impressed me and I think a constructive debate can be made here, nothing else. All positive, all good.

[traderace]

I do it because these two members have impressed me and I think a constructive debate can be made here, nothing else. All positive, all good.

I'll be happy to share my information with you if you ask. I don't know everything but what I've learned through my experiences. I, of course encourage you to listen to all viewpoints and formulate your own opinions. I just don't want to participate in the debate.

[Tamora]

I don't think traderace is interested in debating what he already knows as fact.

[traderace]

I don't think traderace is interested in debating what he already knows as fact.

Thank you Tamora! That's exactly right.

[PF_new]

I don't think traderace is interested in debating what he already knows as fact.

You got me wrong. I'm not talking about debating whether the PF works or not. It's clear it worked for him. Debating that would be meaningless and stupid.

What I'm talking about is that there are people here including me, tbone350 and MANY others who worked hard like traderace, put in the hours, made a lot of efforts as much as he did and, unfortunately, didn't get the results he got. Spending months or even a year wearing a device for hours and hours every day affecting your daily life for NOTHING it's really bad.

So, if the PF actually works and for everybody given enough hours, as it seems with traderace that's the case, it means he was doing something right and me and many others something wrong, so I wanted to get to the bottom of that, that's was my intention for the debate.

[traderace]

You got me wrong. I'm not talking about debating whether the PF works or not. It's clear it worked for him. Debating that would be meaningless and stupid.

What I'm talking about is that there are people here including me, tbone350 and MANY others who worked hard like traderace, put in the hours, made a lot of efforts as much as he did and, unfortunately, didn't get the results he got. Spending months or even a year wearing a device for hours and hours every day affecting your daily life for NOTHING it's really bad.

So, if the PF actually works and for everybody given enough hours, as it seems with traderace that's the case, it means he was doing something right and me and many others something wrong, so I wanted to get to the bottom of that, that's was my intention for the debate.

ok, fair enough. i don't know why it worked for me and not for some others. Most of the results from people I saw were people that had varying levels of success, but I have never seen anyone go the 2000 hours and not gain. Again, i don't even think that is possible. Check out @kickinthemebs log. this guys put an unbelievable amount of time in research on PE. I just used his guidance and it worked for me. This guy is like a philosopher of PE Check his out. I am sure you will find what you are looking for.

[PF_new]

ok, fair enough. i don't know why it worked for me and not for some others. Most of the results from people I saw were people that had varying levels of success, but I have never seen anyone go the 2000 hours and not gain. Again, i don't even think that is possible. Check out @kickinthemebs log. this guys put an unbelievable amount of time in research on PE. I just used his guidance and it worked for me. This guy is like a philosopher of PE Check his out. I am sure you will find what you are looking for.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...kinthelog.html

"Averaging around 70 hours a week since I started. I stopped using the phallosan because the time spent was not worth the lack of gains from it. I put in 3056 hours in total over the space of 10 months."


Listen, traderace, consider yourself lucky with the Phallosan. He was doing so many more things than just the phallosan, as he says in the above link. I'm happy for you that you gained and still gaining. For my part, after one year without gains and probably as much effort as you, passing through the surgery, etc., it feels quite bad and discouraging. However, the way I am, the hardest it gets, the most impossible it seems, the more energy I have and the more I'm going to fight.

Two years ago I was homeless living in a car, using Mcdonals for the wifi and toilet. Soon, I'll start in one of the best business schools in the world with a full scholarship for fees and living allowance, many mouths closed and words swollen on the way. Still, after going through all this I admit PE is hard, and I understand why many people give up after having so much hope. I almost lost the hope myself and I have failed in this for one year. What I'm going to do is apply all I have learned to push it to the limit, never mind the money for devices. Then, when I reach my goal 8.5x7, when I achieve the impossible, I'll write a post here in PE Gym saying how I failed so bad and how finally I found the way, so that nobody will lose the hope. Don't say ignore the losers and focus on the positive people, PE is really fucking hard, it's totally understandable to question whether it is worthy when there are no gains at all. I'm not going to come back saying I tried all and it didn't work, for sure no. Whatever it takes, however long, I'll write that post one day. Until then, there will be no rest.

[traderace]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...kinthelog.html

"Averaging around 70 hours a week since I started. I stopped using the phallosan because the time spent was not worth the lack of gains from it. I put in 3056 hours in total over the space of 10 months."


Listen, traderace, consider yourself lucky with the Phallosan. He was doing so many more things than just the phallosan, as he says in the above link. I'm happy for you that you gained and still gaining. For my part, after one year without gains and probably as much effort as you, passing through the surgery, etc., it feels quite bad and discouraging. However, the way I am, the hardest it gets, the most impossible it seems, the more energy I have and the more I'm going to fight.

Two years ago I was homeless living in a car, using Mcdonals for the wifi and toilet. Soon, I'll start in one of the best business schools in the world with a full scholarship for fees and living allowance, many mouths closed and words swollen on the way. Still, after going through all this I admit PE is hard, and I understand why many people give up after having so much hope. I almost lost the hope myself and I have failed in this for one year. What I'm going to do is apply all I have learned to push it to the limit, never mind the money for devices. Then, when I reach my goal 8.5x7, when I achieve the impossible, I'll write a post here in PE Gym saying how I failed so bad and how finally I found the way, so that nobody will lose the hope. Don't say ignore the losers and focus on the positive people, PE is really fucking hard, it's totally understandable to question whether it is worthy when there are no gains at all. I'm not going to come back saying I tried all and it didn't work, for sure no. Whatever it takes, however long, I'll write that post one day. Until then, there will be no rest.

I hope your future has that in store for you @PF_new. Indeed, PE is very hard. People quit things that are hard, so for every succesful person there are 10 losers. That is exactly the reason you should ignore the losers and find the winners.