There's only one argumentative point that needs to be made to validate my position: There is simply lack of picture proof.
That's it, that's all that needs to be said. If PE was legit, there would 100% be a healthy amount of picture proofs with before and after progressions.
Okay, so before the typical counter arguments are made, I'll confront them before that even happens.
First argument: Guys don't want their dicks on the internet.
Hilarious. Guys seem to throw dick pics around like free candy on the internet, even without being anonymous it's common.
Now you guys are trying to tell me, that out of all the 100s or even 1000s of guys who I've read who are purporting the merits of PE, not at the very least a dozen of them are willing to reveal before and after pictures? That's actually a comical claim.
I know for a fact, that if PE worked, men would be enthusiastically showing the miracles of PE at every excuse possible. At least a considerable amount of them would be, however not all of them.
Men are naturally exhibitionist when it comes to penis posing, if they're big... get real. Also, no ones asking to see your face.
Second Argument: I never took a before and after.
Fair enough, that's completely probable. I relate, my bodybuilding process wasn't properly documented, and that's common amongst people. But its also fairly common for it TO BE documented.
The same probabilities of the pool of people doing PE would apply; the likelihood of tracking a before and after process would fairly similar. Enough people would have certainly done PE, especially at this point, considering how long where PE has been well enough discussed and exposed on the internet.
Enough people would have actually tried it, committed to it, and succeeded at it by this point.
Don't be absurd saying otherwise. Penis size is EASILY, and mean easily, top 3 insecurities among men. If there was a real viable solution without surgical intervention, men would be all over that like bees on honey.
I actually attempted a before and after personally... after about 8 months and seeing zero progress aside from temporary blood retention, very clearly i achieved zero gains. All I achieved was wasted time, a hurt wallet, and a sore wrist.
Even Chris from GoodLookingLoser didn't have a legit before and after... just before and after with a pump. That doesn't count by the way.
Pumps don't give you one inch... well perhaps if you excessively pumped. So I admit, pumps can skew the legitimacy of before and after pics, but if someone pumped that hard, it would be clear, most likely. Pumps don't make you substantially that bigger, not really in length at all, just girth about half inch or less.
I can make my girth 4.3 inch to 4.7 inch form a pump.
Third Argument: What do we have to gain lying about all this?
The most important thing in world of course, MONEY. There is how many affiliate links on this website.. and other PE websites? I saw approx about 4 on this one alone.
PE industry sells appallingly over priced devices, supplements, and coaching sessions. The profit margins must actually be insane. It almost makes me want to sell my soul and get in on this hustle. Very strong passive income streams. The marketing is actually very cleverly discreet with the allure of integrity.
Obviously some PE marketing is laughably a scam, like the adverts on the porno websites, but here on this site.. you guys are convincing i can't lie. Me being a fairly logical person, fell for it like a sad gullible chap. I actually believed you guys. My deep rooted insecurities about my penis blinded my rational brain.
The monetary value from selling these products and services justifies the owners of these forums to spending so much time posting so much.. which leads me to my next argument...
Fourth Argument: Why would so many people be lying about this?
There isn't as many people lying about as you think. What's actually happening is, probably around a dozen or maybe even less, are creating multiple accounts, and spamming every thread with believable rhetoric. I'm willing to bet, if we got linguistic forensics to thoroughly analyze these posts, they would be very settle linguistic consistencies among some of the "different users" here.
The owners of this website try to give the impression there's some strong healthy community here supporting one and other, but what's actually happening is just a few guys who run this site are talking among themselves, trying to substantiate their mythical theories to fools looking to part with their money.
You'll even run into them separate from PE focused websites, like on Reddit or Youtube comment sections for example. The reason why they keep lying is because they know the more they get these myths out there wherever possible to anyone willing to eat the BS, the more likely a client base will trickle back to their income streams.
So then you ask, "Are you suggesting that every user here is like actually 6 guys?" No not all.
Many of the guys here are real people, with real genuine belief and "proof" PE works. I would know because i use to be one of them.
How could I believe in something that wasn't working?
Easily: bad measuring, slight natural fluctuations in size day to day, obsessiveness over the process, and trusting of other testimonies/experiences/advice.
It's very annoying to measure your penis accurately each time, you'll always be a few points off. If i measure from the base, ill get like 5.4 to 5.7 depending how im angling my penis, and how hard it is.
For girth, it changes from like 4.25 to 4.4 base measurement.. again, depending how hard i am, if i masturbated recently, ect.
So, I'd think im growing, but really it's just bad measuring.
"What about guys who aren't owners of the site, and who claim an inch or more growth?"
Well, and then there's just straight delusional liars who get a kick out of convincing people of their BS, without financial incentive. It's like that 14 year old kid bragging he has a 350lb bench, but in reality it's only 200lb.
Fifth Argument: But we say you can grow with just your hand, no money devices needed! We even say, penis pills don't work.
Well, a guy might begin with manual exercises, and soon realize how dreadfully monotonous of an activity it is to commit to about a month or 6 in, and furthermore will opt for a device as a compensation for his time and sanity. Also, because PE doesn't work, he might think that there's something wrong with his "technique," and devices can circumvent the need to learn the tech.
So essentially, by marketing that manual exercises work, you are inadvertently promoting the high profit margin devices, because to say manual exercises work, is to say that PE itself is a reality. And if manual PE works, then devices will work too.
And going back to your other income stream, personal coaching. If you say manual PE works, you can then charge a $50 an hour coaching session for people who believe in it and want extra help. Wow the profit margins.. good hustle good hustle.
And since we weed out the low IQ people with the penis pill, higher IQ people will come to a site like this. (And also you'll promote hormone posting herbal supplement that assist the penis growing process, but no claims that a pill alone grows the penis, because that's obviously absurd to anyone not well below the curve.)
Here, you'll attempt to indoctrinate them with the pseudo-underground-science that has no credible scientific backing it.
Every urologists would say all the PE claims are absurd. The tunica is FIXED, it cannot be stretched. It is not normal soft tissue. Your comparisons are null.
"Oh but there's studies!!" Funded by who? Oh that's the right, the people selling the devices. Blatant conflict of interests. I can't trust that.
Okay so... about me a bit
I lost hours upon hours jelqing for 4 months, i hurt my wrist because actually improving my body working out, my wrist were over stressed from the jelqing and manual stretching.
I lost about $800 dollars on a stretching device. I wore it when i slept, it was not comfortable. I did it for 4 months, i lost sleep, i lost money, and my insecurity grew because of all this.
Sixth Argument : You're just doing it wrong.
Really.. because did exactly what you all told me to do. That bibs routine.. when that didn't work, i spent all that money on a stretching device. I wore a moderate setting for 10-11 hours a day, the optimal recommended time.
The only thing that worked, albeit temporarily, was the pump. I mean the pump is cool, it makes my girth average, BUT it's not a permanent solution like you all promise on there.
Seventh Argument: There are progress pics
I cannot find good ones, anywhere! And the ones i have seen, had very very iffy angles. And just looked plain not genuine.
If you know good believable ones, please post them. But of course, we can't rule out photoshop. But it should be obvious enough... .
Eighth Argument: You are non-responder, an isolated case, they happen.
Wow, what an convenient answer... so how about you just....
Prove It Works
For fun, lets just say you're correct, im wrong. All my theories are incorrect, and nonsense. PE is true, it works.
Okay prove it. Lets get REAL convincing progress pictures. That's all we need.
I'm willing to change my mind, i would be ecstatic to know PE is legit. I deal with Small Penis Syndrome, although im slowly getting over it, my penis size is still a big problem to me psychologically in my life. I don't need to hear it's not a big deal to women, but it's still a big deal to me. It just a mental virus im trying to eradicate. PE could've been the solution to me, but it only failed me thus far.
I'm looking into surgery for my below average girth once funds are handled.
The only reason why I'm only entertaining it could be legit at this point is because of that tribe in Asia that stretches their necks with the rings.. and their necks actually grow in length.
(You want to ban and delete this post, fine. But that only validates me. I was fairly respectful and reasonable throughout this post. Good luck proving me wrong)
That's it, that's all that needs to be said. If PE was legit, there would 100% be a healthy amount of picture proofs with before and after progressions.
Okay, so before the typical counter arguments are made, I'll confront them before that even happens.
First argument: Guys don't want their dicks on the internet.
Hilarious. Guys seem to throw dick pics around like free candy on the internet, even without being anonymous it's common.
- Guys will send random strangers who they find hot on Instagram their dick pics, even when their identity if fully revealed.
- Guys will snap chat their friends and random people their dick as a practical joke (an unfunny one at that).
- Guys will go on omegle and flash their dick openly to EVERYONE with full face showing, very commonly.
Now you guys are trying to tell me, that out of all the 100s or even 1000s of guys who I've read who are purporting the merits of PE, not at the very least a dozen of them are willing to reveal before and after pictures? That's actually a comical claim.
I know for a fact, that if PE worked, men would be enthusiastically showing the miracles of PE at every excuse possible. At least a considerable amount of them would be, however not all of them.
Men are naturally exhibitionist when it comes to penis posing, if they're big... get real. Also, no ones asking to see your face.
Second Argument: I never took a before and after.
Fair enough, that's completely probable. I relate, my bodybuilding process wasn't properly documented, and that's common amongst people. But its also fairly common for it TO BE documented.
The same probabilities of the pool of people doing PE would apply; the likelihood of tracking a before and after process would fairly similar. Enough people would have certainly done PE, especially at this point, considering how long where PE has been well enough discussed and exposed on the internet.
Enough people would have actually tried it, committed to it, and succeeded at it by this point.
Don't be absurd saying otherwise. Penis size is EASILY, and mean easily, top 3 insecurities among men. If there was a real viable solution without surgical intervention, men would be all over that like bees on honey.
I actually attempted a before and after personally... after about 8 months and seeing zero progress aside from temporary blood retention, very clearly i achieved zero gains. All I achieved was wasted time, a hurt wallet, and a sore wrist.
Even Chris from GoodLookingLoser didn't have a legit before and after... just before and after with a pump. That doesn't count by the way.
Pumps don't give you one inch... well perhaps if you excessively pumped. So I admit, pumps can skew the legitimacy of before and after pics, but if someone pumped that hard, it would be clear, most likely. Pumps don't make you substantially that bigger, not really in length at all, just girth about half inch or less.
I can make my girth 4.3 inch to 4.7 inch form a pump.
Third Argument: What do we have to gain lying about all this?
The most important thing in world of course, MONEY. There is how many affiliate links on this website.. and other PE websites? I saw approx about 4 on this one alone.
PE industry sells appallingly over priced devices, supplements, and coaching sessions. The profit margins must actually be insane. It almost makes me want to sell my soul and get in on this hustle. Very strong passive income streams. The marketing is actually very cleverly discreet with the allure of integrity.
Obviously some PE marketing is laughably a scam, like the adverts on the porno websites, but here on this site.. you guys are convincing i can't lie. Me being a fairly logical person, fell for it like a sad gullible chap. I actually believed you guys. My deep rooted insecurities about my penis blinded my rational brain.
The monetary value from selling these products and services justifies the owners of these forums to spending so much time posting so much.. which leads me to my next argument...
Fourth Argument: Why would so many people be lying about this?
There isn't as many people lying about as you think. What's actually happening is, probably around a dozen or maybe even less, are creating multiple accounts, and spamming every thread with believable rhetoric. I'm willing to bet, if we got linguistic forensics to thoroughly analyze these posts, they would be very settle linguistic consistencies among some of the "different users" here.
The owners of this website try to give the impression there's some strong healthy community here supporting one and other, but what's actually happening is just a few guys who run this site are talking among themselves, trying to substantiate their mythical theories to fools looking to part with their money.
You'll even run into them separate from PE focused websites, like on Reddit or Youtube comment sections for example. The reason why they keep lying is because they know the more they get these myths out there wherever possible to anyone willing to eat the BS, the more likely a client base will trickle back to their income streams.
So then you ask, "Are you suggesting that every user here is like actually 6 guys?" No not all.
Many of the guys here are real people, with real genuine belief and "proof" PE works. I would know because i use to be one of them.
How could I believe in something that wasn't working?
Easily: bad measuring, slight natural fluctuations in size day to day, obsessiveness over the process, and trusting of other testimonies/experiences/advice.
It's very annoying to measure your penis accurately each time, you'll always be a few points off. If i measure from the base, ill get like 5.4 to 5.7 depending how im angling my penis, and how hard it is.
For girth, it changes from like 4.25 to 4.4 base measurement.. again, depending how hard i am, if i masturbated recently, ect.
So, I'd think im growing, but really it's just bad measuring.
"What about guys who aren't owners of the site, and who claim an inch or more growth?"
Well, and then there's just straight delusional liars who get a kick out of convincing people of their BS, without financial incentive. It's like that 14 year old kid bragging he has a 350lb bench, but in reality it's only 200lb.
Fifth Argument: But we say you can grow with just your hand, no money devices needed! We even say, penis pills don't work.
Well, a guy might begin with manual exercises, and soon realize how dreadfully monotonous of an activity it is to commit to about a month or 6 in, and furthermore will opt for a device as a compensation for his time and sanity. Also, because PE doesn't work, he might think that there's something wrong with his "technique," and devices can circumvent the need to learn the tech.
So essentially, by marketing that manual exercises work, you are inadvertently promoting the high profit margin devices, because to say manual exercises work, is to say that PE itself is a reality. And if manual PE works, then devices will work too.
And going back to your other income stream, personal coaching. If you say manual PE works, you can then charge a $50 an hour coaching session for people who believe in it and want extra help. Wow the profit margins.. good hustle good hustle.
And since we weed out the low IQ people with the penis pill, higher IQ people will come to a site like this. (And also you'll promote hormone posting herbal supplement that assist the penis growing process, but no claims that a pill alone grows the penis, because that's obviously absurd to anyone not well below the curve.)
Here, you'll attempt to indoctrinate them with the pseudo-underground-science that has no credible scientific backing it.
Every urologists would say all the PE claims are absurd. The tunica is FIXED, it cannot be stretched. It is not normal soft tissue. Your comparisons are null.
"Oh but there's studies!!" Funded by who? Oh that's the right, the people selling the devices. Blatant conflict of interests. I can't trust that.
Okay so... about me a bit
I lost hours upon hours jelqing for 4 months, i hurt my wrist because actually improving my body working out, my wrist were over stressed from the jelqing and manual stretching.
I lost about $800 dollars on a stretching device. I wore it when i slept, it was not comfortable. I did it for 4 months, i lost sleep, i lost money, and my insecurity grew because of all this.
Sixth Argument : You're just doing it wrong.
Really.. because did exactly what you all told me to do. That bibs routine.. when that didn't work, i spent all that money on a stretching device. I wore a moderate setting for 10-11 hours a day, the optimal recommended time.
The only thing that worked, albeit temporarily, was the pump. I mean the pump is cool, it makes my girth average, BUT it's not a permanent solution like you all promise on there.
Seventh Argument: There are progress pics
I cannot find good ones, anywhere! And the ones i have seen, had very very iffy angles. And just looked plain not genuine.
If you know good believable ones, please post them. But of course, we can't rule out photoshop. But it should be obvious enough... .
Eighth Argument: You are non-responder, an isolated case, they happen.
Wow, what an convenient answer... so how about you just....
Prove It Works
For fun, lets just say you're correct, im wrong. All my theories are incorrect, and nonsense. PE is true, it works.
Okay prove it. Lets get REAL convincing progress pictures. That's all we need.
I'm willing to change my mind, i would be ecstatic to know PE is legit. I deal with Small Penis Syndrome, although im slowly getting over it, my penis size is still a big problem to me psychologically in my life. I don't need to hear it's not a big deal to women, but it's still a big deal to me. It just a mental virus im trying to eradicate. PE could've been the solution to me, but it only failed me thus far.
I'm looking into surgery for my below average girth once funds are handled.
The only reason why I'm only entertaining it could be legit at this point is because of that tribe in Asia that stretches their necks with the rings.. and their necks actually grow in length.
(You want to ban and delete this post, fine. But that only validates me. I was fairly respectful and reasonable throughout this post. Good luck proving me wrong)
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