Bathmate before OR after manual length routine?

**ortega45** · 04-11-2019

Do you guys think it's smarter to use the Bathmate before or after your manual length routine? This is my routine order from beginning to end that I've been doing for 2 weeks now:

Bathmate 15 minutes in warm shower -> PC muscle warmups -> Manual length exercises -> Jelq -> PC muscle warm-down/cementing

I'm wondering if it's best to maybe use the bathmate AFTER my length exercises but I'm not sure at all. Wondering if any vets could give me some guidance on this and help me to understand which order is more effective, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

**BBC Action** · 04-11-2019

I typically do both. I'm in the pump for 15 minutes total, but I do 7:30 min before my workout and after the workout. It acts as a warm up and warm down for me too.

**D6ggy9tyle** · 04-11-2019

I didn't notice a real warmup with heat there. This is a crucial part of length gaining. I'm guessing PC muscle warmups are kegels and reverse kegels?

But I would go
1. Warm up
2. Bathmate
3. Jelqing
4. Stretching
Then anything to keep yourself in an elongated state and prevented from turtling. I use an extender here. But an ADS or weighted rings or anything to help keep you as long as possible as you go about your day. You know how they say to take a protein shake within 30-60 minutes after a workout for optimal protein synthesis? Even though it takes a few days for the muscle to fully repair. Or how a cut bleeds for a couple minutes, then clots and scabs. This process takes a short period, even though that scab and repair underneath takes a while to fall off.

When we damage the body, the repair process starts immediately. The most drastic effects happen right away, and then the rest tapers off with time. So, for length, when we do all that damage or stress, the body immediately sends in the repair team. If we turtle, its going to trigger repair in that shortened state, which can lead to strengthening of the tissue instead of addition or elongation, to better handle the "force" that was put on it next time. But if we keep it stretched, the repair trigger is then sent based on a "we cant retract, we're stretched, we have to adapt to this stretched state" and it will begin healing in a way that instead of making it stronger for the next "lifting session" it makes it longer so the current stretch put on it becomes less of a stress.

This is why abstinence from masterbation is so powerful for PE. You will have larger hangs, less turtling, more frequent and harder erections, all of which strongly enhance the repair process. And just like lifting, we gain in repair, not in action.

Then instead of splitting your kegel/pc work, bundle it together at another time, ideally when your erect. Whether that be during morning wood, edging, girth/high EQ work, etc.

Oh and to explain the Order of Operations, the BM expands the tissue and jelqing does the most damage right after this and the swell/plump is there perfect for it, then when you've fatigued the tissue from jelqing, you'll be fully warmed up and loose to do your length work.

**ortega45** · 04-12-2019

Originally Posted by BBC Action

I typically do both. I'm in the pump for 15 minutes total, but I do 7:30 min before my workout and after the workout. It acts as a warm up and warm down for me too.

Gotcha, thanks for the tip

**ortega45** · 04-12-2019

Originally Posted by D6ggy9tyle

I didn't notice a real warmup with heat there. This is a crucial part of length gaining. I'm guessing PC muscle warmups are kegels and reverse kegels?

But I would go
1. Warm up
2. Bathmate
3. Jelqing
4. Stretching
Then anything to keep yourself in an elongated state and prevented from turtling. I use an extender here. But an ADS or weighted rings or anything to help keep you as long as possible as you go about your day. You know how they say to take a protein shake within 30-60 minutes after a workout for optimal protein synthesis? Even though it takes a few days for the muscle to fully repair. Or how a cut bleeds for a couple minutes, then clots and scabs. This process takes a short period, even though that scab and repair underneath takes a while to fall off.

When we damage the body, the repair process starts immediately. The most drastic effects happen right away, and then the rest tapers off with time. So, for length, when we do all that damage or stress, the body immediately sends in the repair team. If we turtle, its going to trigger repair in that shortened state, which can lead to strengthening of the tissue instead of addition or elongation, to better handle the "force" that was put on it next time. But if we keep it stretched, the repair trigger is then sent based on a "we cant retract, we're stretched, we have to adapt to this stretched state" and it will begin healing in a way that instead of making it stronger for the next "lifting session" it makes it longer so the current stretch put on it becomes less of a stress.

This is why abstinence from masterbation is so powerful for PE. You will have larger hangs, less turtling, more frequent and harder erections, all of which strongly enhance the repair process. And just like lifting, we gain in repair, not in action.

Then instead of splitting your kegel/pc work, bundle it together at another time, ideally when your erect. Whether that be during morning wood, edging, girth/high EQ work, etc.

Oh and to explain the Order of Operations, the BM expands the tissue and jelqing does the most damage right after this and the swell/plump is there perfect for it, then when you've fatigued the tissue from jelqing, you'll be fully warmed up and loose to do your length work.

Hey D6ggy, thank you for the detailed response. My warmup with heat is essentially BM in the shower with hot water, I hope that's adequate for a heat-based warmup?

I figured doing BM to start could be good to double as a heat warmup on top of expansion to prepare for the exertion of a manual routine. But then I just started thinking maybe it's best to somehow do it at the end of the routine to take all that length work and expand it even more with an erect BM session. Just a noob thinking out loud I guess.

My PC Muscle work involves 3 exercises at the moment: 1-sec kegel crunches (flaccid), 20-sec kegel holds (flaccid), and 1-sec kegel crunches with an erection (which I normally to at the very end of my routine).

Re extender right after workout: funny enough I have a sizegenetics laying around for the past 4 months which I haven't been using because after 3-4 attempts I simply could not figure out a way to get this thing to stay on without slippage. It's so frustratingly confusing lol.

I'm on gonna PM you if that's cool?

Thanks again