Ridiculous theory

[Karamba Member Find all posts View Profile Close Karamba]

So i read this theory on Thunder's that had a lot of people agreeing with it, but i think it's complete bullcrap. According to this theory, all length/girth gains don't come from tissue actually permanently stretching (forgot the technical term for this, something about cells) but rather from "training" the penis to be more "stretchy". And that basically if you stop PE you will lose all of that "stretchiness", returning to your initial size. Then how do people manage to permanently stretch out their soft tissue, like earlobes and lips? Any thoughts on this?

[closed297 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close closed297]

Interesting you use ear lobes an an example as they close over sometimes too.

[Boricua Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Boricua]

I have seen many members complaining that the gains are not permanent. I clearly remember a member that according to the measurements in his signature lost 3 inches in length (that he gained with his training) and ended shorter than when he started. I can't imagine how 3 inches can disappear but that is what he wrote.

[Party Senior Member Member of the Month August 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Party]

Hmm. Actually. If you were to catch up on Kickinthemebs log. At least with his girth gains. He lost after a while when not doing his routine. Idk. I hope not.

[closed297 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close closed297]

It is my biggest fear...

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

Just swing it around every day and knock people out, you'll be good to go.

[Ultimate Burrito Moderator Member of the Month Oct 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Ultimate Burrito]

So I have a theory about gains...

There are two types of gains, ligament stretching gains (requires maintenance PE to keep) and then this which came from the Quick Extender Pro's website:

STEP 2 Microscopic Tears

Exposing the penis to a constant traction (Using the Quick Extender Pro's specially calibrated tension system) microscopic tears will begin to form along the shaft. The process is completely pain free.
The tears will not be visible to the naked eye and can only be seen through magnification.
As these tears occur regularly along the course of the treatment, your body will recognize the gaps created in the penis tissue. As a form of healing, your penis will begin to repair itself by going through a process known as "mitosis" followed by "cytokenesis".


STEP 3 Healing Process: Mitosis & Cytokenesis

Mitosis occurs when cells within the existing penis tissue begin to divide, known as cellular division, where one cell divides into two. The penis tissue cells will divide over and over again to fill in the gaps (tears) caused by the penile traction process. Enlargement can be noticed in both length and girth (thickness).
In the simplest sense, the nucleus of a cell divides within itself then splits in two, each containing a mirror image of the original nucleus. The splitting of the two cells, once the nucleus has divided, is called cytokinesis, the final stages of cell division and tissue growth.
The cells will rapidly divide over the course of the treatment and will create new tissue for a longer and larger penis.


The latter is permanent gains that are irrevocable.

[Karamba Member Find all posts View Profile Close Karamba]

So I have a theory about gains...

There are two types of gains, ligament stretching gains (requires maintenance PE to keep) and then this which came from the Quick Extender Pro's website:

STEP 2 Microscopic Tears

Exposing the penis to a constant traction (Using the Quick Extender Pro's specially calibrated tension system) microscopic tears will begin to form along the shaft. The process is completely pain free.
The tears will not be visible to the naked eye and can only be seen through magnification.
As these tears occur regularly along the course of the treatment, your body will recognize the gaps created in the penis tissue. As a form of healing, your penis will begin to repair itself by going through a process known as "mitosis" followed by "cytokenesis".


STEP 3 Healing Process: Mitosis & Cytokenesis

Mitosis occurs when cells within the existing penis tissue begin to divide, known as cellular division, where one cell divides into two. The penis tissue cells will divide over and over again to fill in the gaps (tears) caused by the penile traction process. Enlargement can be noticed in both length and girth (thickness).
In the simplest sense, the nucleus of a cell divides within itself then splits in two, each containing a mirror image of the original nucleus. The splitting of the two cells, once the nucleus has divided, is called cytokinesis, the final stages of cell division and tissue growth.
The cells will rapidly divide over the course of the treatment and will create new tissue for a longer and larger penis.


The latter is permanent gains that are irrevocable.

Thanks, i was getting worried there lol. That makes a lot more sense than the theory from Thunder's, and more encouraging too.

[JustALilMore Senior Member Member of the Month August 2020 Find all posts View Profile Close JustALilMore]

I don't think that's all. Cells grow only to recover from stress, to be able to withstand the previous stresses placed upon them. Otherwise, we could grow indefinitely with the same amount of force being applied, which we know is not the case.

What happens when the body no longer sees the stress? It is pretty efficient at not wasting resources, so I'm sure you can experience penile atrophy if left unmaintained for long periods of time.

[Ultimate Burrito Moderator Member of the Month Oct 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Ultimate Burrito]

I don't think that's all. Cells grow only to recover from stress, to be able to withstand the previous stresses placed upon them. Otherwise, we could grow indefinitely with the same amount of force being applied, which we know is not the case.

What happens when the body no longer sees the stress? It is pretty efficient at not wasting resources, so I'm sure you can experience penile atrophy if left unmaintained for long periods of time.

That's partly why you'll see in my progress log taking 6-9 month breaks aka deconditioning breaks at a time. The intent is to reset the clock and start the process all over again. It's useful for breaking plateaus which is some of what you are referencing.

[closed297 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close closed297]

How long after a long break does it take to get back to its biggest?
Is it with in days/weeks?

[Cavalier Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Cavalier]

A couple of other theories expanding a little more on Burrito's post.

Penis Creep & Its Scientific Implications

The Precise Mechanism of the Penis Enlargement Response ... - PEGym

[Karamba Member Find all posts View Profile Close Karamba]

That's partly why you'll see in my progress log taking 6-9 month breaks aka deconditioning breaks at a time. The intent is to reset the clock and start the process all over again. It's useful for breaking plateaus which is some of what you are referencing.

Do you lose any of your gains during those long breaks?

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

A couple of other theories expanding a little more on Burrito's post.

Penis Creep & Its Scientific Implications

The Precise Mechanism of the Penis Enlargement Response ... - PEGym

The "Creep" article is especially good reading for this subject.

The following- while referring to skin- is also worth reading (as are the references listed): Creep vs. stretch: a review of the viscoelastic properties of skin

[Ultimate Burrito Moderator Member of the Month Oct 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Ultimate Burrito]

Do you lose any of your gains during those long breaks?

I have never lost any girth which supports the second theory I mentioned as there are no ligaments involved with girth. I have lost about 1/8", maybe a little more, in length before but it was quickly reclaimed. My advice to anyone that relies on manual workouts is to overshoot your goal by about .25" so that if there is some loss experienced then you will still settle around your target. Also it is really import to spend about 3 months cementing your gains, don't just stop cold turkey. By cementing I mean, do a lighter version of your routine and gradually taper it down each month much in the same way you gradually ramp up your routine as you are becoming conditioned. I would never stop doing light jelqs though. They are great for keeping EQ high and are easy to perform.